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(Dutch ) MP Told She Is 'Not Citizen'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-17-2006 | Joan Clements

Posted on 05/16/2006 7:14:31 PM PDT by blam

MP told she is 'not a citizen'

By Joan Clements in The Hague
(Filed: 17/05/2006)

The Dutch MP who lied to gain asylum fought back tears yesterday as she confirmed she was resigning her seat after being told her citizenship may be withdrawn.

Somalian-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali also said she was leaving for America. She said her job was now "impossible" after a "shocking" letter from Rita Verdonk, the immigration minister, saying Miss Hirsi Ali could no longer consider herself Dutch because of the lies she told the immigration authorities in 1992.


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KEYWORDS: dutch; mp; notcitizen; told
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To: Jemian
Do we really want her?

In a word, 'yes'...

81 posted on 05/16/2006 8:29:52 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: Redbob
No doubt she'll register to vote as a Dimocrat - in New Orleans.

Along with all of those other 'Dimocrats' at the American Enterprise Institute? (?)

82 posted on 05/16/2006 8:33:16 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: nmh

Right... You believe the Muslim "family" that has been "dishonored" by her... That would just as well stone her on her return...

This woman has been the subject of many threads here for some time.


83 posted on 05/16/2006 8:33:18 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

A "bump" is to bring activity to the thread to keep it active so others will see it.

"ROFL" is rolling on the floor laughing

A "troll" is someone that gets on a thread to get everyone up in arms, angry etc... Basically fishing for an intense response. Usually by someone new that only wants to disrupt.


84 posted on 05/16/2006 8:37:09 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: AntiGuv

Unless she hopped a direct flight from Somalia to the Netherlands, which I seriously doubt existed then (or now), it must have been patently obvious at the time she gave the false info, that the Netherlands wasn't the first country she landed in that officially qualified as "safe".


85 posted on 05/16/2006 8:43:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: cardinal4

"But the attacks on me and the "ignorant" posters was out of line."

Actually it was not out of line.

Ignorant simply means unknowing. It doesn't mean stupid.

You were ignorant with the comment you made. Having someone call you on it is the cost of posting a comment on a subject you clearly didn't know anything about.

It happens to all of us...


86 posted on 05/16/2006 8:53:00 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: cyborg

Yeah, me too. She certainly wouldn't have been safe from that in Ethiopia or Kenya (hopefully Germany is pretty good at suppressing that practice). Though in nearly all cases, if that's going to be done, it's done long before the age she was when she fled (usually before or at puberty). Which brings me to the more puzzling lie: why would she have needed to lie about her age, when she was 22? I'm all for bringing her here -- I trust the judgement of the AEI, and figure we can use all the energetic anti-Muslim-extremism voices we can get. But I would like to hear her explanation.


87 posted on 05/16/2006 8:55:22 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: blam

It's tough to say where to come down on this one. The Dutch certainly have the right to enforce their immigration laws, sad stories notwithstanding (just as we do). On the other hand, this woman certainly took a courageous stand against Islamofascism, and one wonders if the Dutch don't view deporting her as an act of expediency to appease the "Mohammed Cartoon Jihadis".


88 posted on 05/16/2006 8:56:31 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Which brings me to the more puzzling lie: why would she have needed to lie about her age, when she was 22?

She was trying to hide from her husband (forced marriage). She also changed her name to make it more difficult for him (and her family) to find her.

89 posted on 05/16/2006 8:58:49 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: cardinal4; cyborg

She'd been mutilated when she was a girl. Whether before or after the fact, who would want to stay with a people who would do that, along with all of the other restrictions a former Muslim couldn't stand?


90 posted on 05/16/2006 9:00:30 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DB

Your explanations of what these things are was much appreciated.


91 posted on 05/16/2006 9:01:05 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu (what is a troll, bump, ROFL...., and other similar things?)
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To: pawdoggie
one wonders if the Dutch don't view deporting her as an act of expediency to appease the "Mohammed Cartoon Jihadis".

Actually, the Dutch parliament is in major disarray due to the anger that the Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk expedited the stripping of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's citizenship due to political reasons. Many Dutch politicians are just short of screaming at each other over this situation.

92 posted on 05/16/2006 9:08:44 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: burzum

The United States is one of the few places left in the world to which someone could flee from the Islamofascists and their politically correct enablers. Maybe also Australia and a few other places could take someone in who is being persecuted. Europe pretends to be secular and tolerant but they enforce much of what the Islamic theocrats want. Much of the so-called West is eager to take up the yoke of dhimmitude.


93 posted on 05/16/2006 9:12:35 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Well put.

Strange, isn't it? that the Dutch are suddenly making an example of the *only asylum-seeking Moslem* living in the Netherlands. I'll bet she's the only one who lied on her application. And the only Moslem immigrant there under false pretenses. I'm sure the murdering subhuman slime who killed Theo were there completely legally.


94 posted on 05/16/2006 9:16:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; AmishDude; blinachka; AntiGuv; Zeppo

Thanks Blam, very interesting thread (well, most of it). Thanks also to AmishDude, blinachka, antiguv, and zeppo for reiterating the part about the job waiting for her here in in America for those who have very low reading comprehension. :'D


95 posted on 05/16/2006 9:23:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

why is she allowed to come here??????


96 posted on 05/16/2006 9:24:54 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Jemian

Do we really want her? Do you know who she is?

Are you an Islamofascist creep who wants to see a woman who has spoken out forcefully against the enemies of Western civilization raped and murdered? I only ask because that's certainly what would happen to her if she was sent back to Somalia.

This thread alone is enough almost to make me want to distance myself from the anti-immigration crowd at FR and embrace Bush't immigration proposals complete with the ridiculous amnesty onto a track for citizenship.

Everyone who graspe at this attack on this brave woman by the Muslim-loving dhimmis of Eurabia as a basis for shallow immigration commentary should be ashamed of himself. Such crassness is worthy of DU.


97 posted on 05/16/2006 9:31:59 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
why is she allowed to come here??????

Because we're lucky.

98 posted on 05/16/2006 9:35:44 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: usmcobra
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Fiction and facts (Filed: 16/05/2006) Fiction: she said her name was Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Fact: her real name is Ayaan Hirsi Magan. She said she changed it to prevent her family from finding her after running out on her new husband during a visit to Germany.

Fiction: she told Dutch authorities she was born in 1967.

Fact: she was born in 1969. She said she lied to prevent Dutch authorities from tracking her real identity.

Fiction: she claimed to have fled to Holland from war-torn Somalia.

Fact: she caught a train from Germany, following her marriage to a Canadian cousin, after spending more than a decade in Kenya. She spent only seven years in Somalia as a young girl.

Thought you might like to read the truth. Sorce is UK newspaper

99 posted on 05/16/2006 9:36:39 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: org.whodat

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4985636.stm

She is expected to head for Washington, to work for the conservative US think tank American Enterprise Institute.

Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk has said that in her view Ms Hirsi Ali's lies about her name and age make her Dutch citizenship - granted in 1997 - invalid.

She may expect a warmer welcome in the US, where Time magazine has named her one of the most influential thinkers of our time.

it figures...........




100 posted on 05/16/2006 9:41:23 PM PDT by fishhound
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