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1 posted on 05/18/2006 2:55:49 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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Q: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

A: Denying wrongdoers the fruits of their criminality is eminently "fair".

2 posted on 05/18/2006 2:58:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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Social Security for illegals OK'd

Why am I not surprised?

3 posted on 05/18/2006 2:58:31 PM PDT by WayneM (Frist 202 224-3344, Hagel 202 224-4224 Martinez 202 224-3041. Call them TODAY!!!)
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This is unreal. Social Security Trust having problems and these jerks pass this. This is an impeachable offense to all those who voted for it. Specter, I will never vote for him again. IMO.
4 posted on 05/18/2006 2:59:38 PM PDT by Racer1
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I am dead set against amnesty. I don't want a guest worker program for illegals without their returning home to apply for it, but I don't agree that anybody should have to pay into SS without being eligible for benefits.


5 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:17 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully.

So not only are they not penalized for earning money under illegal status, there is no talk of stopping the anchor baby policy, cutting off welfare benefits, or ending subsidized health care for illegals. Not to mention jailtime for employers of illegal labor.

But lets build a 370 mile wall along a 1951 mile border.

6 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:22 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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I better speed up my emigration plans for myself.


7 posted on 05/18/2006 3:00:32 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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"Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

can anyone actually believe, in all honesty, that our Government will enforce, ANY LAW in regards to illegal aliens?

Doogle

8 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:13 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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Well if the invasion isn't already at full flood, it will be now.


9 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:32 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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How on earth will they match contributions to the illegals when they never had valid SS numbers in the first place. If someone randomly picked my SS# to work under does that mean they get all my benefits instead of me?


10 posted on 05/18/2006 3:02:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Kennedy is right, they should be able to collect the portion they paid in as they leave the country.

11 posted on 05/18/2006 3:02:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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These Senators have taken all leave of their senses (not that they had much to begin with).


23 posted on 05/18/2006 3:10:00 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00130


25 posted on 05/18/2006 3:11:14 PM PDT by Racer1
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Compassionate conservative economics 101 at work for you.


26 posted on 05/18/2006 3:12:10 PM PDT by gipper81
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Countered Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Easy.

It's called, "asset forfeiture".

If it's good enough for American criminals, it's good enough for Mexican ones, too.

27 posted on 05/18/2006 3:14:20 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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This is the real issue here, the implications are staggering and none are good.

I was being pretty open minded but NO
they all must go back and re apply and no counting being here illegally and using a fake SSN and never paying taxes.
In fact I would bet $100 that 90% of illegals that do file get money back. Anyone who makes less then $30,000 and has kids does not pay taxes at all but gets more then they pay in back as a refund.
sheeesh, the senate needs to be dissolved and hold all new electrons, wish we had a Parliament in this case. Join the minutemen, contribute to their fence, write your reps.
32 posted on 05/18/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by roverman2K6
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Q: "Their money sits in the Social Security Administration waiting to be matched with an eligible beneficiary, and once those workers establish the eligibility, how in all fairness can we deny them the credit for their past contributions?"

Wrong! The money doesn't sit anywhere, it is payed by the taxpayers still working and no money is stock piled for future use because the government spends in on other things as fast as it comes in, plus it is a ponzi scheme.

54 posted on 05/18/2006 3:33:07 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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So what about the ones who paid SS using someone elses SS#


58 posted on 05/18/2006 3:37:40 PM PDT by pnz1
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JOHN ENSIGN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008!!!!

Apparently, he's the only one that 'GETS IT'.

"The Social Security proposal, offered by Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., would have prevented illegals who become legal from collecting the benefit on wages they earned while working unlawfully."


64 posted on 05/18/2006 3:45:05 PM PDT by XenaLee
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I can see a very serious citizens revolt becoming possible.
Anyone have an idea about elections this NOVEMBER, do we stay party lines and elect someone with a spine and kick the incumbents out? At this point in time, it seems like the thing to do. Throw the spineless out!!!! We can send a very clear message.

Doogle
71 posted on 05/18/2006 3:52:05 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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Well that sort of blows up the advantages of having illegals pay taxes for services they never collect doesn't it. Another nonsensical benefit of hiring illegals bites the dust .. big time.


74 posted on 05/18/2006 3:55:11 PM PDT by Tarpon
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