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To: calcowgirl; Quix
The CFR exists to be influential, but that doesn't mean they differ in any great respect from the international relations faculty of Harvard or Georgetown. That doesn't mean any of those institutions have have specific policy goals as a group.

Do you think the members of those faculties have very different agendas and beliefs than those of the CFR? Of course not. This hearkens back to the leftist envy of right wing think tanks like Hoover and Heritage. Why weren't the left-liberal think tanks like Brookings more visibly powerful? Well, the reason is that Heritage challenges the prevailing conventional wisdom and Brookings (and Foreign Affairs). If the CFR and all its members disappeared, I don't think the foreign policy debates in America would be markedly changed, but if Heritage disappeared, conservatives would suffer a huge loss.

I think you're underestimating the extent to which the the foreign policy establishment leans to the left without the help of the CFR. I mean, was in the bookstore some time back, looking at Foreign Policy, published By the Carnegie Endowment For International Peace. It had an article by Ted Rall in it--- Ted Rall, the guy who had made all those pathetically bigoted cartoons of Condi! Now, you may not like President Bush or Condi, as I do. But TED RALL! I mean, come on--- he makes Boondocks seem like Shakespeare! My point is that complaining about the influence of CFR members is like complaining about the influence of Dan Rather. He's a symptom, not a sickness.

Which he brings me back to John Fonte. Nothing to add, except that I think he's very sharp on this stuff

1,040 posted on 05/25/2006 6:29:27 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir

I was reading your post and, with minor exceptions, was largely in agreement, until...

>>"Now, you may not like President Bush ...My point is that complaining about ..."

You know, this kind of stuff gets really old. I posted nothing about Bush and was not complaining. The broad brush insults against everyone only diminishes any meaningful, intelligent conversation.


1,041 posted on 05/25/2006 6:54:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: mjolnir; All

Thanks. Will look at the link later today, I hope.

All the left institutions and organizations may have different window dressing. They may rank the priorities toward the global government slightly differently.

But they will keep to the party line on the essentials with virtually a mob or military or mind-controlled mentality when any serious issue or goal is sought or pointed to by the social/political stars amongst them. For such a rebellious group, they can be remarkably quick to agree and fall in line to further tyranny.

If CFR is a symptom, then one could say all the political/social etc. groups and institutions are FRONT GROUPS for the real puppet masters behind the scenes. The Republic is not safe from any of them. And if all but any one of them were miraculously depopulated of members, the one that remained would quickly consume all the remaining constituents and power strings and still rush full steam ahead.

And, actually, I think most people of their ilk--RINO or blatant Marxist--having bought into the line of no right or wrong; certainly no satan or God--would believe that they COULD rush pell mell toward the global government because they are so smart, with-it, powerful, know better, etc. without any accountability to anyone or any thing.

And, I think even far too many conservatives underestimate the literal demonic forces driving the Marxist left; assisting the Marxist left etc.

Such can easily be countered by PRAYER on the part of good hearted more or less righteous Believers in the Body of Christ. But, sadly, too many assume it's not necessary and/or are too lazy about DOING THE CRITICAL WORK OF PRAYER on behalf of the USA. They hardly even pray much for their own families or themselves. And the demonic forces know that and take full advantage of it for all they are worth.

So, the normal DIMRAT/ MARXISTS/ MACHIAVELLIANS/ et al and their normal ruthless, massive political and social power

PLUS

all the demonic power behind them abroad in our land and the world

PLUS

a relatively weak-kneed, far too UNpraying Church

PLUS

muddle headed 3rd party voting and refraining from voting on the part of the patriotic Christian right

if it happens, WILL SPELL UNPRECEDENTED DISASTER for our country and the world.

I wish it were not true. I would love to be wrong about that. All the evidence I look at and consider leaves me feeling that my description could be too optimistic, if anything.


1,046 posted on 05/26/2006 3:33:18 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: mjolnir

BTW, regardless of a lot of things,

I love Condi and Bush a lot and pray that they do the right thing vs whatever pressures they may receive from the elite. But I'm not too impressed with their treatment of Israel in too many cases.

As I understand it, President Bush has been told in unmistakable terms the hazards and dangers from God Almighty if he treats Israel shabbily. And I liked his recent affirmation that we will attack anyone who attacks Israel.

But the whole scene is a multi-dimensional mine field for them and for our Republic EVEN WITH THE GOP IN POWER.


1,047 posted on 05/26/2006 3:36:32 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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