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U.S. Is Proposing European Shield for Iran Missiles (stationed in New Europe?)
NYT ^ | 05/22/06 | MICHAEL R. GORDON

Posted on 05/21/2006 10:41:16 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

May 22, 2006

U.S. Is Proposing European Shield for Iran Missiles

By MICHAEL R. GORDON

WASHINGTON, May 21 — The Bush administration is moving to establish a new antimissile site in Europe that would be designed to stop attacks by Iran against the United States and its European allies.

The administration's proposal, which comes amid rising concerns about Iran's suspected program to develop nuclear weapons, calls for installing 10 antimissile interceptors at a European site by 2011. Poland and the Czech Republic are among the nations under consideration.

A recommendation on a European site is expected to be made this summer to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Pentagon officials say. The Pentagon has asked Congress for $56 million to begin initial work on the long-envisioned antimissile site, a request that has run into some opposition in Congress. The final cost, including the interceptors themselves, is estimated at $1.6 billion.

The establishment of an antimissile base in Eastern Europe would have enormous political implications. The deployment of interceptors in Poland, for example, would create the first permanent American military presence on that nation's soil and further solidify the close ties between the defense establishments of the two nations.

While the plan has been described in Congressional testimony and in published reports, it has received relatively little attention in the United States. But it is a subject of lively discussion in Poland and has also prompted Russian charges that Washington's hidden agenda is to expand the American presence in the former Warsaw Pact nation.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antimissile; bmd; czech; europe; iran; missiledefense; poland; russia
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"Go ahead and build that shield. You have to think, though, what will fall on your heads afterward. I do not foresee a nuclear conflict between Russia and the West. We do not have such plans. However, it is understandable that countries that are part of such a shield increase their risk."

Your risk is going up even higher if you do something stupid.

1 posted on 05/21/2006 10:41:17 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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prompted Russian charges that Washington's hidden agenda is to expand the American presence in the former Warsaw Pact nation.

If this is a hidden agenda it is the worst kept secret in recent memory. Of course we want to expand American presence in Poland. They are a true ally and are welcoming us with open arms. Leave it to the NY Slimes though to try to paint it into some sort of devious, underhanded foreign policy maneuver though.

2 posted on 05/21/2006 10:56:09 PM PDT by frankiep (Visualize Whirled Peas)
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The piece is misleading!

The anti-ballistic missile defense systems are being installed in Poland--not western Europe.

And...

US Downs Dummy Ballistic Missile in Successful Test
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350575/posts

US touts successful missile-defense test
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1540722/posts

Airborne Laser Completes Laser Ground Tests
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1539125/posts

And Poland is a good ally.
3 posted on 05/21/2006 10:57:40 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I was in the process of posting the piece with the least negative material excerpted (about one sentence) and with information to debunk it.

It takes time to find old news to debunk the anti-defense propaganda of the popular press.


4 posted on 05/21/2006 11:00:08 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Great idea! Sell Europe a bunch of missiles to pay some bills for our defense contractors and then bomb the crap out of Iran. There's a buck to be made here.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 11:03:34 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: familyop

Agreed. Poland rocks!

(And their female soldiers are babes as well)


6 posted on 05/21/2006 11:06:34 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

>>The final cost, including the interceptors themselves, is estimated at $1.6 billion.<<

Why are we paying for this instead of europe?


7 posted on 05/21/2006 11:18:14 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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Agreed Tiger; I am ok with developing such a shield so long as these dilettante Euro's pay for every Penny spent. Otherwise, I say let them twist in the wind - and reap the whirlwind....
8 posted on 05/21/2006 11:22:22 PM PDT by snoringbear
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To: snoringbear; gondramB

1. Only Poland is wanting to host the systems for now. Britain, France and Germany don't want any country to have an anti-ballistic missile defense system.

2. The New York Times might not be honest in its implication that we are paying for the whole thing.

3. If we did pay for it, that would be better than paying enemies to avoid nuking us in the future. And it would be far less expensive to stop Russian ICBMs, for example, from Poland than from here.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 11:27:44 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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>>>and has also prompted Russian charges that Washington's hidden agenda is to expand the American presence in the former Warsaw Pact nation.


That is probably so. I doubt that Warsaw is high on the mullahs target list compared to New London or Seattle. I can however see more sense to this if unannounced long range plans are that Poland will be housing a much higher % of American forces then have so far been projected. A shield protecting those bases would then be comforting.

If that isn't the case I'd prefer those ten additional interceptors be protecting CONUS.


10 posted on 05/21/2006 11:31:22 PM PDT by tlb
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That is the crux of the matter. Anti missile defense systems in Poland would knock out Russian (and former Soviet satellite states') outgoing missiles as well as Iranian incoming missiles. It means we could stop Russia from launching missiles at Europe or the middle east. It would (help) neutralize any Russian missile threat westward or southbound.


11 posted on 05/21/2006 11:33:59 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If virtual border walls for America are supposed to work, then why doesn't the President suggest a cheaper virtual shield over new Europe?


12 posted on 05/21/2006 11:37:23 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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and yet the american border is DEFENSELESS???????


13 posted on 05/21/2006 11:48:34 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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Missiles does not vote. Iranians do not vote, but Hispanics do.:)

14 posted on 05/21/2006 11:53:12 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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"and yet the american border is DEFENSELESS???????"

Does Mexico have nuclear weapons aimed at us? I have an even better question for you. Would you rather have our Government focus more on keeping Mexicans out of your neighborhood, or would you rather our Government focus more on keeping your neighborhood from being nuked?
15 posted on 05/22/2006 12:50:48 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: RandallFlagg

And you would know about the Polish female soldiers HOW? ha.


16 posted on 05/22/2006 1:36:32 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Illegal Aliens....STFU!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Are you kidding? I had a bunch of pics of 'em that were posted on a FR thread during the war that were bookmarked. They're all gone by now, though.

Quite yummy, too!


17 posted on 05/22/2006 1:38:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg

Glad to see we are supporting our allies...the rest of Europe is rabidly anti-American..its their arrogance.


18 posted on 05/22/2006 1:42:57 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Illegal Aliens....STFU!)
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To: frankiep

Well, one can easily understand the Poles welcoming an American commitment such as the anti-ballistic missile shield: they certainly don't like or get along with their immediate Eastern and Western neighbors, and their experience in trusting the guarantees of the British and the French has been less than optimal. I suppose that we owe them at least this one in thanks for raising the 1683 siege of Vienna.


19 posted on 05/22/2006 3:46:00 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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'and their experience in trusting the guarantees of the British and the French has been less than optimal.'

Go and ask some Poles old enough to remember the war what they think of Britain. 1st September 1939 Hitler invades Poland, 3rd September 1939 Britain declares war on Hitler to help their ally Poland. December 11th 1941 and the US finally declares war on Germany 26 months after their ally Poland was invaded, despite huge polish-american communities in the US. What was left of the Polish army (some 195,000) evacuated to Britain and placed themselves under British command and fought with great honour and tenacity. Many made their homes in Britain after the war. Ask those poles what they think of Britain and you will get a much more positive view of Britain than of the US that ignored their plight for over two years.


20 posted on 05/22/2006 4:19:06 AM PDT by Vectorian
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