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“Rhythm Method” May Kill Off More Embryos than Other Methods of Contraception
NewsWise ^ | 24 May, 2006 | British Medical Journal

Posted on 05/25/2006 9:24:35 AM PDT by gcruse

[The rhythm method and embryonic death J Med Ethics 2006; 32: 355-6]

The “rhythm method” may kill off more embryos than other contraceptive methods, such as coils, morning after pills, and oral contraceptives, suggests an article in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

The method relies on abstinence during the most fertile period of a woman’s menstrual cycle. For a woman who has regular 28 day cycles, this is around days 10 to 17 of the cycle.

It is the only method of birth control condoned by the Catholic Church, because it doesn’t interfere with conception, so allowing nature to take its course.

It is believed that the method works because it prevents conception from occurring. But says Professor Bovens, it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle.

We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.

Is it not just as callous to organise your sex life to make it harder for a fertilised egg to survive, using this method, as it is to use the coil or the morning after pill, he asks?

Professor Bovens cites Randy Alcorn, a US pro-life campaigner, who has equated global oral contraceptive use to chemical abortion that is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of embryos, or unborn children, every year.

But says Professor Bovens: if all oral contraceptive users converted to the rhythm method, then they would be effectively causing the deaths of millions of embryos.

Similarly, regular condom users, whose choice of contraception is deemed to be 95% effective in preventing pregnancy, would “cause less embryonic deaths than the rhythm method,” he says.

“…the rhythm method may well be responsible for massive embryonic death, and the same logic that turned pro-lifers away from morning after pills, IUDs, and pill usage, should also make them nervous about the rhythm method,” he contends.

Click here to view the paper in full: http://press.psprings.co.uk/jme/june/355_me13920.pdf


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1 posted on 05/25/2006 9:24:37 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse

"Uh, oh" placemarker.


2 posted on 05/25/2006 9:27:03 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: gcruse
if all oral contraceptive users converted to the rhythm method, then they would be effectively causing the deaths of millions of embryos.

Oh, please - why are they reaching for this?

3 posted on 05/25/2006 9:27:41 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: gcruse

What utter crap.


4 posted on 05/25/2006 9:27:59 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: gcruse

I'm starting to get the idea these days that people are on an attack the Catholic Church kick. Maybe it's just me, I dunno.


5 posted on 05/25/2006 9:28:22 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: gcruse
Is it not just as callous to organise your sex life to make it harder for a fertilised egg to survive, using this method, as it is to use the coil or the morning after pill, he asks?

Hmmmmm....me thinks the researcher has an agenda, what say you?


6 posted on 05/25/2006 9:29:26 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: gcruse
The third assumption is that there is a greater chance that a conception will lead to a viable embryo if it occurs in the centre interval of the fertile period than if it occurs on the tail ends of the fertile period. This assumption is not backed up by empirical evidence, but does have a certain plausibility.

Catholics use Natural Family Planning, not the rhythm method.
7 posted on 05/25/2006 9:29:30 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Izzy Dunne

Because he has nothing else?
susie


8 posted on 05/25/2006 9:29:37 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: gcruse

If they "may" be less viable, that is the natural order. No human intervention is altering the life cycle as it was designed to function.


9 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:23 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing. Support Diana Irey for Congress!)
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To: gcruse

Some folks have no rhythm. Or, so I've been told.


10 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by auboy
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To: gcruse

My rhythm method didn't work too well - kid #3.

Journal of Medical Ethics - wonder what their ethics are on late term abortions?


11 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:24 AM PDT by jstassis
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To: gcruse

Professor Luc Bovens
Page contents > Title | Research interests | Publications
Title
Professor of Philosophy

Research interests
Editor of Economics and Philosophy
Interests: Ethical Theory, Philosophy of Economics, Philosophy of Public Policy, Rational Choice, Philosophy of Probability.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/philosophyLogicAndScientificMethod/WhosWho/staffhomepages/bovens.htm


12 posted on 05/25/2006 9:30:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: gcruse
What a stupid theory.
13 posted on 05/25/2006 9:31:10 AM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: gcruse
You cant kill what isn't alive or in this case, FERTILIZED!
14 posted on 05/25/2006 9:32:03 AM PDT by DogBarkTree
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To: Gingersnap
Catholics use Natural Family Planning, not the rhythm method.

No kidding, the least he could do is do the five minutes of research required to find that out.
15 posted on 05/25/2006 9:32:17 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: gcruse

I understand the premise and it makes sense, but women are always going to lose embryos due to such causes.

You can only do as well as you can do. Embryos will be lost all the time, as well as miscarriages of a further along fetus.

This may help Catholics abstain longer to virtually eliminate the chance of killing a fetus. Why take a chance when you are playing with a life?

However, I do believe birth control is acceptable as a non-Catholic.


16 posted on 05/25/2006 9:32:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: gcruse

It won't be truthful until Dan Brown weighs in on it ...


There, I stepped in it also ;-)

The other side of this absurd argument says "don't have sex during a period in the menstrual cycle where a fertilized egg/embryo might not implant in the uterine wall. Any sex that doesn't result in a viable embryo is bad."

THis guy never passed Critical Thinking as a freshman I bet.

Anyway ... off to the races on this one.


18 posted on 05/25/2006 9:32:59 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: trisham
Bovens is unsurprisingly not too unlike BovineS.
19 posted on 05/25/2006 9:33:24 AM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: jstassis
Then you know what they call couples who use the rhythm method...

Parents

20 posted on 05/25/2006 9:33:34 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (There are only a few absolute truths in life, the rest are just opinion.)
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To: DogBarkTree

The embryo is a fertilized egg, ready to be implanted, if my recollection holds.


21 posted on 05/25/2006 9:34:00 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: trisham

Professor of Economics and Philosophy???Geeze,can't we at least get a degree in Biology in there,never mind a degree in Medicine?


22 posted on 05/25/2006 9:34:10 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: gcruse
But says Professor Bovens, it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle.

"May" ... "might" ... "there's a possibility" ... "we can't know empirically" ... but we'll sure as heck use it to trash those d--n Catholics.

We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.

If we don't know how much lower embryo viability is, how can we "calculate" anything?

And is he talking about "the rhythm method" (which nobody has used since the mid-1960's) or sympto-thermal NFP (which is not "the rhythm method")?

This article is what's technically called a large pile of steaming ...

23 posted on 05/25/2006 9:34:17 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: AnnaZ

:)


24 posted on 05/25/2006 9:34:24 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: gcruse
embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle.

This is such a lame argument I don't know where to begin. Moreover that Catholic Church's opposition to contraception extends beyond the abortifacient aspects of the pill.

25 posted on 05/25/2006 9:34:47 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: gcruse

"British Medical Journal", figures.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by zzen01
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To: Gay State Conservative
Professor of Economics and Philosophy???Geeze,can't we at least get a degree in Biology in there,never mind a degree in Medicine?

****************

No kidding.

27 posted on 05/25/2006 9:35:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: DarkSavant
Catholics use Natural Family Planning, not the rhythm method.

No kidding, the least he could do is do the five minutes of research required to find that out.

These are supposed to be real researchers and such but they cannot even get the name of the method correct? Please...

28 posted on 05/25/2006 9:35:47 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: jstassis
Or butchering an embryo to cannibalize cell tissue.
29 posted on 05/25/2006 9:35:51 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: gcruse
He's a professor of philosophy, logic, and scientific method.

He has no applicable credentials in medicine or reproductive biology.

None.

30 posted on 05/25/2006 9:37:17 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Blueflag
Please! THIS REPORT IS FICTION...Why is everyone getting all worked up... ;)
31 posted on 05/25/2006 9:38:54 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: gcruse
...it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle.

So where is the problem here?
If this is the case then these embryos are chosen to not survive by their Creator.
Not man.

32 posted on 05/25/2006 9:38:59 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: ConservativeMind

"This may help Catholics abstain longer to virtually eliminate the chance of killing a fetus. Why take a chance when you are playing with a life?"

Bingo.


33 posted on 05/25/2006 9:39:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: gcruse
We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.

Ummm...okay.

34 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:05 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Then you know what they call couples who use the rhythm method...

Funny. :)

Although, in our case, using Natural Family Planning allowed us to conceive a daughter after suffering three miscarriages. A true miracle!

35 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:20 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Who's the wildman now?)
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To: gcruse
The 'prof4essor' needs to prove there's a connection between abstinence and some mechanism that prevents implantation before he makes such asinine assertions. as the following:

It is believed that the method works because it prevents conception from occurring. But says Professor Bovens, it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle. We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy. What a load of BS! Talk about a missuse of one's science posture ...

36 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: jstassis
My rhythm method didn't work too well - kid #3.

Might have worked pretty well. Would you be up to kid #8 without it? :-)

37 posted on 05/25/2006 9:40:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Never ask a Kennedy if he'll have another drink. It's nobody's business how much he's had already.)
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To: Campion
Mel Brooks' History Of The World PT. I

Dole Office Clerk: Occupation?
Comicus: Stand-up philosopher.
Dole Office Clerk: What?
Comicus: Stand-up philosopher. I coalesce the vapors of human existence into a viable and meaningful comprehension. Dole Office Clerk: Oh, a bull**** artist!
Comicus: Hmmmmmm...
Dole Office Clerk: Did you bull**** last week?
Comicus: No.
Dole Office Clerk: Did you try to bull*** last week?
Comicus: Yes!

38 posted on 05/25/2006 9:42:23 AM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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To: gcruse
but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.

What is the rate for no contraception at all? How often is the egg without implantation and a pregnancy?

39 posted on 05/25/2006 9:42:52 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Never ask a Kennedy if he'll have another drink. It's nobody's business how much he's had already.)
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To: TonyInOhio

We used NFP to prevent pregnancy...and twice to cause it.

Thus my nick! :-)


40 posted on 05/25/2006 9:44:17 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Life's about changing, nothing ever stays the same)
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To: gcruse
What an idiot.
We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy

He admits they have no actual knowledge if there is a lower embryonic viability or not. But then he calculates (based on what?) that "two to three embryos will have died". That would only take place if 3 or 4 eggs had been impregnated. What an idiot. So obviously biased that only a liberal wouldn't question it.

41 posted on 05/25/2006 9:44:34 AM PDT by techcor
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To: gcruse

Let's see:

Knowingly killing off healthy embryos with artificial birth control is BETTER than using NFP and taking the chance that already unviable embryos might die?

These people wrote a paper with this premise? Are they complete idiots or completely insane????

These people really and truly love death.


42 posted on 05/25/2006 9:45:01 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: SuziQ; RosieCotton

Ping!


43 posted on 05/25/2006 9:45:27 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (Life's about changing, nothing ever stays the same)
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To: KarlInOhio

What it seems like is that we just don't know what causes pregnancy. There's so much that has to happen in order for the eggs to be fertilized and implanted and then grow. It sounds like a long chain reaction has to happen to result in the birth of a baby.


44 posted on 05/25/2006 9:45:40 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Cubs85
I think you're missing the point, as well as the definition of the word intervention.
Choosing the time to have sex and letting nature take its course is not the same as mechanically ingesting a pill or wearing a device designed to prevent fertilization.

BTW, I'm not Catholic, so I can't weigh in on the whole birth control issue, but it is obvious this researcher has an agenda. If you can't advance your own arguments based on logic, attempt to weaken the other side by manipulation of fact.

The only other comment I have is that I believe human life begins at fertilization when the egg and sperm cease to exist as seperate entities and chemically unite to become something uniquethat is neither- the human zygote. God & nature takes it from there, unless of course we intervene and terminate the human life.

45 posted on 05/25/2006 9:52:09 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing. Support Diana Irey for Congress!)
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To: gcruse

It's one thing when nature makes a mistake; it's quite another when you take a morning after pill, intentionally destroying an embryo.


46 posted on 05/25/2006 9:53:10 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: gcruse
I knew it!!! When you are married, its almost always immoral not to have sex. Now we are really going to outnumber the pagans/abortionists.

/marital indulgence is better than premarital abstinence
//get with it folks
///eagerly waiting for the birth of #8

47 posted on 05/25/2006 9:53:24 AM PDT by Theophilus (Abortion = Child Sacrifice = Future Sacrifice)
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To: Sisku Hanne
The only other comment I have is that I believe human life begins at fertilization when the egg and sperm cease to exist as seperate entities and chemically unite to become something uniquethat is neither- the human zygote. God & nature takes it from there, unless of course we intervene and terminate the human life.

So you ARE opposed to birth control, then.
48 posted on 05/25/2006 9:54:19 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: gcruse
Bwhahah! The DUmmies are posting on it and buying it hook, line, and sinker. No discussion about him being a doctor of philosophy. Or not having evidence upon which to make his calculations or anything. But then again they probably calculate a woman's cycle in terms of "business" hours. Heh heh. Here's the link.,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=217x4237
Damn! They have no critical thinking skills whatsoever and fall for anything.
49 posted on 05/25/2006 9:55:33 AM PDT by techcor
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To: gcruse
the rhythm method may well be responsible for massive embryonic death

DUMBEST thing ever said!

Embryo is a product of conception. No conception=no embryo. Or are they actually saying an "embryo" is lost every time a woman has a period?

50 posted on 05/25/2006 9:56:16 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 120-134)
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