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1 posted on 05/26/2006 4:33:24 AM PDT by AZRepublican
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Dennis A*sHastert must have been smoking crack when he made the statement.


2 posted on 05/26/2006 4:37:24 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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The Constitution specifically authorizes the executive branch to arrest Congressmen in the event of a felony. Article I, Section 6, IIRC.


4 posted on 05/26/2006 4:44:25 AM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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The founders must be frowning down on this comical Congress over their recent efforts to decide upon themselves to who may or, may not, enter and reside within the many States of the union who are not citizens of the United States.

As I understand it, the Constitution specifically authorizes Congress to establish rules governing immigration, naturalization, etc.

They're doing an atrocious job of it, but it certainly isn't unconstitutional for them to pass such laws.

6 posted on 05/26/2006 4:48:10 AM PDT by Restorer
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"The founders must be frowning down on this comical Congress over their recent efforts to decide upon themselves to who may or, may not, enter and reside within the many States of the union who are not citizens of the United States."

Wha? Where's the editor?

7 posted on 05/26/2006 4:48:15 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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The relevant provision of the Constitution states: "[F]or any Speech or Debate in either House, [Senators and Representatives] shall not be questioned in any other Place." (Article I, Section 6). I do not see how this creates an exemption from an otherwise lawful search.


8 posted on 05/26/2006 4:48:51 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To claim an FBI raid of a congressional office violates a so-called separation of powers principle means Congress can also allege the Supreme Court is violating a separation of powers line every time they review an act of either the legislative or executive branch.

Bingo

10 posted on 05/26/2006 4:51:22 AM PDT by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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From the DOJ's Criminal Resource Manual:
The Speech and Debate Clause

The Federal offenses of bribery and gratuities apply to payments made in consideration for, or to thank or curry favor with, Members of Congress and their legislative staffs. However, where an official of the Legislative Branch is the intended recipient, the task of proving the "official act" element can present prosecutors with unique challenges rooted in the Speech and Debate Clause of the U.S. Constitution. U.S. Constit. Art I, sec 6, cl 1.

The Speech and Debate Clause provides the "legislative acts" of a Senator or a Representative "shall not be questioned in any place." It applies in criminal as well as civil litigation involving the Senator or Representative, and provides absolute immunity to United States Senators and Representatives while they are engaged in legislative acts. United States v. Brewster, 408 U.S. 501 (1972); United States v. Helstoski, 442 U.S. 477 (1976). Its purpose is to assure the Congress a wide and unfettered latitude of freedom of speech in the deliberative process surrounding enacting legislation, and to shield that process from potential intimidation from the Executive and Judicial Branches. Gravel v. United States, 408 U.S. 606 (1972); Powell v. McCormick, 395 U.S. 486 (1969).

While the Speech and Debate Clause has been expressly held not to shield Senators or Representatives against bribery charges, United States v. Johnson, 383 U.S. 169 (1966), it does impose significant limits on the type of evidence that can be used to prove such an offense. The Clause broadly protects members of Congress "against inquiry into acts that occur in the regular course of the legislative process and into the motivation for those acts," United States v. Brewster, 408 U.S. 501, 525 (1972), and "precludes any showing of how [a member of Congress], acted, voted, or decided." Id. at 527. The Supreme Court has declared that "past legislative acts of a Member cannot be admitted without undermining the values protected by the Clause," including speeches in committee as well as those on the Floor of the Chamber, the Senator or Representative's votes, and his or her explanations for them. A somewhat wider latitude has been allowed insofar as the admissibility of activities that occurred prior to a legislative act. United States v. Helstoski, 442 U.S. 477, 489 (1979). However, the parameters of what constitutes a "legislative act" are quite broad, and can severely impair the ability of prosecutors to prove bribery and gratuity cases where the recipient is an elected Member of the Legislative Branch.

When evidence embraced by this privilege is introduced--either in trial or in grand jury proceedings--the effect can be as troubling to the prosecution as introducing the fruits of an illegal search. See United States v. Durenburger, 1993 WL 738477 (D.Minn 1993); Helstoski, supra; compare Johnson.

In addition, both the House and the Senate consider that the Speech and Debate Clause gives them an institutional right to refuse requests for information that originate in the Executive or the Judicial Branches that concern the legislative process. Thus, most requests for information and testimony dealing with the legislative process must be presented to the Chamber affected, and that Chamber permitted to vote on whether or not to produce the information sought. This applies to grand jury subpoenas, and to requests that seek testimony as well as documents. The customary practice when seeking information from the Legislative Branch which is not voluntarily forthcoming from a Senator or Member is to route the request through the Clerk of the House or the Secretary of the Senate. This process can be time-consuming. However, bona fide requests for information bearing on ongoing criminal inquiries have been rarely refused.

The Public Integrity Section of Criminal Division has significant expertise in addressing and overcoming Speech and Debate issues. Prosecutors are encouraged to contact Public Integrity when the official acts of an elected Member of the Legislative Branch become the focus of a criminal inquiry.


11 posted on 05/26/2006 4:51:27 AM PDT by Sandy
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Harry Truman once made a speech wherein he called a Congress at his time the worst in history. Harry was right then, but he hadnt experienced anything like this pack of clowns.


12 posted on 05/26/2006 4:51:33 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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This is very disappointing, coming from Hastert. At best, it represents Congressional arrogance, believing that because they are the legislators, they are somehow above the law. At worst, Hastert is complicit in obstruction of justice, making a case that any evidence found was improperly seized.
14 posted on 05/26/2006 4:55:10 AM PDT by Lou L
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Hastert would stand on firmer ground if he would instead argue a separation of powers violation over Congress' total disregard for the sovereignty of the people and the States.

Yes! I demand hat we be able to be free enough to use bathroom showerheads that produce more than 2.5 gallons per minute!

It is my sovereign right -- keep Congress out of my shower!

15 posted on 05/26/2006 4:55:25 AM PDT by bvw
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I absolutely agree that Hastert is dead wrong {not to mention arrogant and stupid} on this issue. I think if the President hadn't sealed the papers, and if Hastert wouldn't have backed off, the firestorm that developed would have blown himout of the Speakers chair before the July 4th recess.

The 45 days, will be a cooling off period.


18 posted on 05/26/2006 4:58:44 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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I'm beginning to wonder what Hastert has on ice.
19 posted on 05/26/2006 4:58:53 AM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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I sent the following email to my Congresscritter (a solid Conservative Republican):

"Congressman Hastert, and those supporting him on the William Jefferson situation are WRONG! The U. S. Constitution does NOT prohibit exercizing a warrant in a Congressional office. Hastert, Pelosi, and others are obfuscating the situation and making fools of themselves.

Congressmen are no more above the law than I am. Should I have committed the same crimes that Congresscritter Jefferson is accused of, the FBI, or any other law enforcement organization with jurisdiction, would be over and through my house in a nano-second, and I'd have no control (or say so) over what they confiscate. You people want to retain privacy; don't break the law!

With Congressional opinion polls showing public support being even less than for the President, this is the WRONG message to send. It smacks of petulance, ignorance and pomposity. Suggestion: Next time you're with Hastert, finger-flick him upside the ear and tell him to get real, and concentrate on the Nations business instead of his own ego. Oh, and tell him, in turn, to stay away from Pelosi; she's a bad influence on anyone within 500 yards.

I've always had respect for Hastert. That's gone. He's become just another office seeker to me. Oh, and be sure to tell him that he needs to get 100% behind the House Immigration Bill, HR 4437. This garbage the Senate passed yesterday MUST NOT STAND!

If this reads as though I'm fed up and mad, well, I am. The Republicans are supposed to lead, not act like Prima donnas."


22 posted on 05/26/2006 5:03:00 AM PDT by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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Every time a dumbocrat gets caught with hands in the cookie jar, some other issue is promoted over it.

A $100,000.00 bribe caught on tape - separation of powers.

Bad news for dumbos - timing of the release.

Dumbos dirty tricks memo - how did the pubbies get the memo.

Etc, etc...


31 posted on 05/26/2006 5:22:58 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Go home and fix your own country before you complain about ours.)
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It is the responsibility of each branch of government to "check and balance" the other two. If the Executive branch has reason to believe the Legislative branch is violating the law, then it has the responsibility to do whatever is necessary to legally check it.


42 posted on 05/26/2006 5:42:05 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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It is the responsibility of each branch of government to "check and balance" the other two. If the Executive branch has reason to believe the Legislative branch is violating the law, then it has the responsibility to do whatever is necessary to legally check it.


43 posted on 05/26/2006 5:44:11 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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Sure, the Founders saw no danger is giving a Ronnie Earl the power to have all the papers in Tom Delay's office exqmined by his men.

What disdain for our Founders' intelligence there is on these threads.

48 posted on 05/26/2006 5:57:00 AM PDT by mrsmith
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The FBI (Executive) went to a Federal Court (Judicial) to get a warrant. The separation of powers was followed.
50 posted on 05/26/2006 6:30:45 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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This just in....

Dennis H. is claiming that it was his "evil twin" that spoke out of turn. HE was inside the hallowed walls of Congress, doing "the people's work" the whole time. (/sarcasm)

53 posted on 05/26/2006 6:34:54 AM PDT by NordP (Dig a moat the length of Mexican border, take the dirt & raise New Orleans' leavies, add alligators.)
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It was an absurd argument to begin with. If Hastert, Pelosi, et. al, were correct, the a corrupt member of Congress could use the Constitution as a shield to hide evidence any illegal activity; bribery, murder, rape, etc. Just keep all the evidence in your Congressional office and no one could find it. Makes no sense.


56 posted on 05/26/2006 7:07:15 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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