Kerry Pressing Swiftboat Case, Long After Loss ["They lied and lied and lied about everything,"]

New York Times ^

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Kerry Pressing Swiftboat Case, Long After Loss By KATE ZERNIKE

John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."

He moves on to the photographs: his boat leaving the base at Ha Tien, Vietnam; the harbor; the mountains fading frame by frame as the boat heads north; the special operations team the boat was ferrying across the border; the men reading maps and setting off flares.

"They gave me a hat," Mr. Kerry says. "I have the hat to this day," he declares, rising to pull it from his briefcase. "I have the hat."

Three decades after the Vietnam War and nearly two years after Mr. Kerry's failed presidential bid, most Americans have probably forgotten why it ever mattered whether he went to Cambodia or that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth accused him of making it all up, saying he was dishonest and lacked patriotism.

But among those who were on the frontlines of the 2004 campaign, the battle over Mr. Kerry's wartime service continues, out of the limelight but in some ways more heatedly — because unlike then, Mr. Kerry has fully engaged in the fight. Only those on Mr. Kerry's side, however, have gathered new evidence to prove their case.

The Swift boat group continues to spend money on Washington consultants, according to public records, and last fall it gave $100,000 to a group that promptly sued Mr. Kerry, a Democratic senator from Massachusetts, for allegedly interfering with the release of a film that was critical of him.

Some of the principals behind the Swift boat group continue to press their claims.

[P-40]

Wow....a hat...

[NonValueAdded]

Hey, hey, ho, ho, Kerry: sign the one-eight-oh. What chutzpah making this an issue on Memorial Day.

[llevrok]

May we see your discharge papers, Senator? ( We continue to press charges too)

[Jeff Chandler]

A Magic Hat.

[butternut_squash_bisque]

The lying loser just can't handle being exposed as a fraud and a scumbag. POS. I spit on him.

[NonValueAdded]

Oh, my mistake. I forgot that was the year Christmas was celebrated on Lincoln's birthday. I must sear that into my memory.

[don-o]

ooh - Frenchie getting frisky.

[NinoFan]

I think I know what Eric Cartman would say in this situation...

[mylife]

"They lied and lied and lied about everything," Mr. Kerry says in an interview in his Senate office. "How many lies do you get to tell before someone calls you a liar?

He's begining to sound like Lawrence O'Donnell

[armymarinemom]

Kerry needs to stay in his own wacked out yard.

[LetsRok]

I have a hat that says "FBI". That does not mean that I have any relationship with the FBI.

[Tijeras_Slim]

I coulda been a contenduh...

[woodb01]

 

Kerry has NEVER SIGNED HIS 180 RELEASE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THE TRUTH!! Then again, he's a DEMONRAT!!! What do you expect from the party of sleaze, deception and Big Media propaganda!

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Treason and corruption are absolutely NOTHING NEW to the Democrats. However their media outlets RARELY cover this.

 

[kjo]

All Senator Kerry has to do is to release his form 180. Why is that so difficult?

[D-fendr]

"How many times can you be exposed in America today?"

Sounds like Kerry wants to go for the record.

[Doc Hunter]

Kerry is a LOSER

[don-o]

More

Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record — something he resisted during the campaign — and hired a researcher to comb the naval archives in Washington for records that could pinpoint his whereabouts during dates of the incidents in dispute. Another former crewmember has spent days at a time interviewing veterans to reconstruct every incident in question.

Then what is the hold up?

[Sloth]

John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."

Feb 12: 1130 e-mailed progress rpt to to Pres Nixon.

Feb 12: 1330 observed B-2 stealth bomber attack on civilians.

Feb 12: 1600 listened to new Beatles CD.

[RegulatorCountry]

All hat and no credibility.

[mylife]

pigarooney

[kjo]

What do you mean Dem media outlets (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR, PBS, NYTs, WaPo) rarely cover their treason and corruption? THEY NEVER COVER IT.

Still waiting for Sixty Minutes to look into Congressman Jefferson. Oh, that case is ALL about separation of powers?

Nothing to see here, move along.

[sinclair]

Seems to me if there was all this libel and slander going on that Mr. Kerry would have a heck of a court case against these guys.

Well Frenchy maybe it's time you brought those liars to court.

/src

[pepsionice]

You won't get the discharge papers...they just beg more questions. He can't admit to whatever he did.

[RegulatorCountry]

"I forgot that was the year Christmas was celebrated on Lincoln's birthday"

With drunk, non-Christian Cambodians doing the celebrating.

[MarkeyD]

I think I remember reading that he had only released the records to the Washington Post, which in turn, promised not to print anything they discovered.

[68skylark]

Naval records and accounts from other sailors contradicted almost every claim they made, and some members of the group who had earlier praised Mr. Kerry's heroism contradicted themselves.

Parts of this article read like a campaign press release. The NY Times is really going to bat for Kerry -- hopefully this will encourage him to run again.

[El Gato]

"They lied and lied and lied about everything," Mr. Kerry says in an interview in his Senate office. "How many lies do you get to tell before someone calls you a liar? How many times can you be exposed in America today?"

How many times can you call someone a liar without ending up in court, where records can be subpoenaed? You can call a politician a liar without much worry, it comes with the territory, but calling private citizens liars is grounds for a defamation lawsuit.

[Jameison]

"John Kerry starts by showing the entry in a log he kept from 1969: "Feb 12: 0800 run to Cambodia."



Hey sKerry, how long did it take to forge that?

[zeaal]

Is Kerry still married to Mrs. Heinz?

[doorgunner69]

Release your full records, twit, and then maybe we'll pay a little attention to your BS.

Until then, you are a fraud in the eyes of all of us that served in Viet Nam.

[mylife]

You can bet this was timed for release on memorial day weekend precisely because he intends to run for the presidency again.

He is attemping pre emtive Damage control for 08

[Clara Lou]

So, they gave him a hat. Big deal. Not highly significant. We just had a baby shower for a new supervisor and his wife. The fact that we bought gifts for them doesn't mean we like him professionally. [We don't.] We do it for everyone on staff.

[El Gato]

All Senator Kerry has to do is to release his form 180.

He has released a form 180. He even signed it. It's just a form allowing realease of one's military records. Of course he only allowed release to his pet writer from a Boston newspaper, IIRC. He did not allow a release to the public.

[TeleStraightShooter]

Members of the Swift boat group have not seen Mr. Kerry's newly gathered evidence. But they seem unwilling to cede much.

Mr. O'Neill said he "would be thrilled to look at anything he wants to send." Still, he added, "I'm sorry he never apologized for his 1971 speech," referring to Mr. Kerry's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in which he told other soldiers' accounts of ravaging Vietnamese villages and citizens. "I think it would have been a very positive thing to do in terms of the many thousands of people who survived Vietnam and felt that was very hurtful."

[68skylark]

...precisely because he intends to run for the presidency again.

Great news!

[alrea]

Feb 12: 1600 listened to new Beatles CD.

Feb 13: 1700 Emailed friends in N.Y.

[WardMClark]

I could buy the exact same friggin' hat at the Supply Sergeant surplus store up on East Colfax. Big fat hairy, deal, John - SHOW US YOUR RECORDS.

[tet68]

We have seen his type before.
Oooorah.
tet.

[El Gato]

Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record — something he resisted during the campaign — and hired a researcher to comb the naval archives in Washington for records that could pinpoint his whereabouts during dates of the incidents in dispute. Another former crewmember has spent days at a time interviewing veterans to reconstruct every incident in question.

Then what is the hold up?

He only authorized release to his pet writer, not to the general public, not even to the news media in general.

[FairOpinion]

Kerry traitor ping

[Tall_Texan]

I'd welcome letting the SWBV have their day in court. Let's see who's facts stand up. Of course, FULL disclosure of Kerry's war records would need to be requested by the defense which he was unwilling to provide during the campaign.

[Bommer]

Mr. Kerry has signed forms authorizing the Navy to release his record — something he resisted during the campaign — and hired a researcher to comb the naval archives in Washington for records that could pinpoint his whereabouts during dates of the incidents in dispute. Another former crewmember has spent days at a time interviewing veterans to reconstruct every incident in question.

The key to him still not signing SF-180 is "Mr. Kerry has signed forms". SF-180 would release all records! But I believe that this was lie before in the campaign. That he had signed for the navy to release "some" of his records, but refused to sign SF-180 because the whole story would be known! Also by hiring a personal researcher instead of letting the public see all the records, he's still trying to whitewash his lies and possible atrocities committed!

[Clara Lou]

The NY Times is really going to bat for Kerry
Putz Shulzberger recognizes a loser like himself and offers full support.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Kerry sign his DOD-180 yet?

[cibco]

I sent them money a month ago. That POS Kerry is trying to bankrupt them in courts.

[GarySpFc]

This nut case is going to run again.

[don-o]

I think I remember reading that he had only released the records to the Washington Post,

Anyone have this?

No matter what one might think of the WaPo, if they had it, I am sure that some enterprising reporter would get it out. Does not pass the smeel test, imo.

[johnny7]

American Quisling... sadly, one of many.

[lilylangtree]

skerry's a grade A #1 skunk.