Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 28 May 2006

Various big media television networks ^ | 28 May 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, May 28th, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Bill Frist, R-Tenn.; Staff Sgt. Alfred Lanier, head honor guard at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.; Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Sen. John Warner, R-Va.; Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.; singer Tony Orlando.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Barham Salih, Iraqi deputy prime minister; Prince Hassan of Jordan; Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa; "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert.

[Dog]

I just found this post over on Red State....someone tell me they also heard this......anyone.

Did Murtha just accuse the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of MURDER...

Jack Murtha's Fifteen Minutes [Mark Kilmer]

On ABC's This Week, Jack Murtha raised the possibility that General Pete Pace ordered "the massacre at Haditha." (Murtha holds that some Marines were killed by an IED and the surviving Martines went nuts, shooting civilians.) Posted at 05/28/2006 08:14:59 AM EST - #

[anita]

First, let me assure that Gen Hayden was NOT brought onto the national intelligence scene by Bill Clinton.

Thanks, AB. I am amazed that Fox is allowing Greg Kelly with such mistakes repeatedly. I am waiting for Bret Beir's take-over from Carl Cameron to see if there is any improvement in WH reporting.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Agree.

[betsyross1776]

It is about time somebody is saying what Bush has really done. I am so glad you posted this. Now email this to Sean Hannity and Ingraham, since all they do is complain about the president and suck up to the people that would shut them up. Some body tell Inggie that is she thinks she would get the fairness docture defeated, she better forget it. Now I know people in here will blast me and say that she and Hannity are independent and are not robots for the adminstration, but don't you think , kerry, kennedy and soros and the whole demo pelosi , reed gang have enough people to condem the president. THANK YOU FOR THE POST, WE NEED MORE OF THEM.

[kabar]

Exactly, and do those figures include the employer's share?

[Bahbah]

Fortunately, that's not you, Tim.

I had to laugh when Sensenbrenner said that and added "not this time anyway." Jim Sensenbrenner was excellent this morning on the immigration issues. He has a complete grasp of the matter and explained it clearly and forcefully. Hagel had nothing but jibberish.

[maica]

We figure that's why Vincente Fox was here this past week. He's leaving office and probably looking for work in the US someplace.

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Slimy Brian Mulrooney, Conservative Party, who was the Prime Minister of Canada did a farewell lap around the US, too. Next time his name was in the papers he was a big name at Archer Daniels Midland.

[Morgan in Denver]

Agreed. I copied anita's list for future reference.

[Peach]

Did Sensenbrenner add "Not this time?"

LOL

I completely missed that. Good -- I was sort of ticked at the kissing up.

[rodguy911]

The Senate bill throws up their hands and gives up. It's unfair to people who are in line to become legal immigrants.

Very key stuff here Peach, glad you brought it up. One of the reasons/excuses for illegal Mexicons coming here is that the Mexicons want to do the jobs we don't want to do.

The bigger question however is do we exempt true potential immigrants who can do jobs in the sciences, computer industries and 20th century jobs that many industries really need for more gardeners, laborers, fruit pickers and the like.

Is that a good move for the country? Is allowing all Mexicons all the time, at any cost, for the potential sake of a few votes that may or may not go to either side, a smart move at the expense of exempting the rest of the world. Many of whom have true talents to offer us here if we let them in instead of millions of illegal Mexicons?

The whole thing is so surreal it boggles the mind when you actually look at the original purpose of immigration to the US.

[TomGuy]

One example: Illegals only have to pay 3 or 5 years of back taxes

I believe it's three years. And, they get to choose the years!

Right. lol. I didn't proof it. It should have read to pay 3 or of 5 years

[Mo1]

Hagel: Our bill is 730 pages long. The house bill is 250 pages long. We do enforce the border. 500 miles of vehicle traps, etc. Our bill goes further than the house bill in some sections. No one questions enforcement. What Ronald Reagan did was amnesty. What Carter did with those who left the country rather than serve the country is amnesty.

In the Senate Bill .. Thanks to Dodds Amendment .. We have to ask Mexico first about building and kind of fence

[Rokke]

"Matthew Dowd, GOP poller extraordinaire did some polling & talked to GOPers about it.."

Thanks for the link to that article. I suspected as much. Two key lessons in "Politics 101". 1. The folks screaming the loudest that they are a party's base...usually aren't. If your politicians "aren't listening to you", it is probably because you aren't the majority. 2. Congressional political races are local. You may hate Olympia Snow, Susan Collins and John McCain...but their constituents (read voters) don't. They all have among the highest job approval ratings among their own voters in the country.

[Bahbah]

It was Hagel that made the comment about the underclass. Unfortunately, he didn't actually tie any of his thoughts together. It was just talking points not united by any principle or thoughtfulness.

[Morgan in Denver]

Thanks Peach. I'll make it a point to watch MTP later today when it's on the internet.

[Fishtalk]

Below is the text copy of a post I made on another thread. It's my assessment of Haditha. Please know that I am concerned about what happened there but it helps to be aware of the background.

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First, as far back as September of last year Haditha has been a problem. It's a Sunni stronghold and rumor has it that at one time mighty Al-Zarqawi himself was holed up there.

There is a marine outpost near Haditha and hidden bombs are often found around the outpost so let's state right now that Haditha is no friend to the American military.

Finally, after months of trying piece by piece to clear Haditha of insurgents, a joint operation by the marines and the Iraqi army took place. It's very, very important to please note that the residents of Haditha were warned repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, to clear out, that a convoy of marines and Iraqis was coming in.

On the day all this stuff came down, first, a humvee carrying marines was blown up by an IED. There's some question that this IED was improvised to be attached to a propane tank which made the blast more horrific.

The driver of the humvee was killed, an American marine. Right after the IED explosion, the unit was allegedly taking gunfire from nearby homes.

By now, all angry and likely scared, a bunch of Iraqi army guys and marines headed to a house where they thought the gunfire was coming from. They broke into a home where the family was all huddled in the parlor, a room with a handy window, reading the Koran. Which is what we all do, of course, when explosions and gunfires erupts around us, we gather our children and grandchildren and congregate in a room to read the Koran.

The marines thought they heard the ratchet of an AKA 47 so they burst into this lovely parlor room and it's questionable what happened then. EXCEPT, get this, the entire account of what happened was described by a NINE YEAR OLD GIRL. Allegedly she was in the corner, huddled, and trying to protect her younger, EIGHT year old brother. Said eight year old brother was too "traumatized" to talk to Time magazine.

Hey, the kid's eight, he was there, why can't he talk? Perhaps he has a different story than his sister?

Some people in this house got shot and killed but it's not at all clear why. Silly me, I just don't think the marines shot and killed people for no reason but hey, I could be wrong. The nine year old, eight year old and another woman and baby escaped from this house so it's not like the marines just willy-nilly shot everyone. A grandfather and son were killed, I forget who else but please don't forget the warning given to residents of Haditha so why was this loving grandfather keeping his family so close to the danger?

The gunfire keeps going and the unit goes back outside to find out where. They think the gunfire is coming from yet another house so someone, coulda been an Iraqi army guy who knows, threw a grenade in that house. The grenade allegedly hit a propane tank in that house and went boom. A bunch of people in that house were killed.

Still the gunfire continued and the Iraqi army guys charged another house. A man and four of his sons were killed in this encounter. One of that guy's sons lived next door and he's telling Time a story that you'll not believe.

He says that the Iraqi guys keeping guard outside the house and told him that the Americans are killing everybody and he better go hide. The next day this guy goes into the house and finds his four brothers killed.

The guy then says there the way the blood was dragged across the room that it was "obvious" that the Americans put his four brothers in the closet and shot them there.

Now why would the marines bother to put four men inside of a closet and shoot them? Why not just shoot them right out in the open? The Americans had allegedly shot everybody else in the town right out in the open?

Or could those four brothers have been HIDING in the closet and when the marines found them, THEN they got shot? That would explain the bloody drag marks.

TWO AKA-47's WERE recovered from somewhere so where did they come from? I'm thinking from inside that closet but I could be wrong?

Happy law-abiding civilians do not ordinarily have AKA-47's just sitting around.

Also, even before this all began, the Haditha hospital was believed to be a safe house for Sunni terrorists. So guess where all those lovely pictures came from? That very same hospital.

When you deliberately keep women and children around you to keep the Americans from killing you, and some of them end up getting killed anyway, well the next step is to exploit this and get the story out there.

The biggest problem in this story, at least as I see it, is that the house that got the grenade suffered the loss of a lot of civilians. According to this corrupt terrorist Haditha hospital, the victims of this blast had bullet wounds and were not killed by the propane.

The pictures seem to show bullet wounds but how do we know they were the people in the propane tank house?

Anyway, folks this story has many holes in it and really has questionable sourcing. A terrorist sympathizing and protecting hospital and an nine year old child?

Another problem, allegedly the marines reported that the IED was hooked up to a propane tank and that is how all the Haditha killings occurred. Allegedly. From "undisclosed military sources".

If anything comes of this, believe that there will be a great big mountain built from a molehill. Why didn't those residents leave, what with over two month's notice? I suppose people in Iraq might have propane tanks in their kitchens but that sure is odd. Iraqis are notorious smokers and you'd think they'd keep such equipment outside like normal people.

Also, don't forget the Iraqi army was with the marines during their foray into Haditha. As I understand the Iraqis have a much shorter fuse than the Americans. Could the Iraqi army guys have thrown that grenade or shot those bullets?

Or could this all be another "sting" to catch leakers in the military.

[RobFromGa]

Check out HOW TO ELECT A CONSERVATIVE SENATE if you get a chance.

[anita]

Tim's assessment of what Hagel is saying: "Do you mean the Republicans are fed up with the Bush White House?" He salivated as he said this.

That explains that Russert's water-carrying for the Democrats.

[Mo1]

I agree wholeheartedly....I was simply quoting Sessions, because

I didn't mean to sound snippy to your post and understand you were quoting ..

Sorry about that

[Bahbah]

Thank you for that very interesting insight into Mr. Orlando.