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Posted on 05/28/2006 5:08:34 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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LOL. At his press conference on Friday, Sensenbrenner said that some people are saying that he [Sensenbrenner] will eat the Senate negotiators alive and pick his teeth with their bones. Hagel sounds like he is the first victim.
They believe in the saying there is no smoke without fire so the more the they say it the more the mud sticks and more the sheeple beleive it.
First, let me assure that Gen Hayden was NOT brought onto the national intelligence scene by Bill Clinton. What a crock! Gen Hayden has been, dig this, an intelligence officer since the Vietnam war!!!! It's kinda hard for a dope-smoking-but-not-inhaling, fleeing-the-country-to-avoid-the-draft-and-his-national-gaurd-obligations nobody to bring anyone into the national security arena!
BTW, I worked for Gen Hayden at one point. A very intelligent man with vision. While he got his star under the earliest days of the Clinton admin, he really got this rank (BGen) due to an appointment/assignment to an O-8 billet by President George HW Bush.
###### Reporting from - ? - A NYTimes reporter who died 5 months ago, writes this week in NYTimes the obituary of Lloyd Bentsen .
LOLOL! Paper of record, indeed!
I think that is similar to how it works in Britain. I seem to remember a case where the child could have remained but the parents had to go. Of course the child went with them as they did not want to leave her behind.
They were elected to their job .. not have the House to do it for them
If they didn't like the Bill they should have voted it down
Was this from you or on TV? It's a great point to keep in mind. The last thing the US needs to do is create an underclass of workers as has happened in European countries.
Great analysis. I think I will copy and paste and send it to some people I know who can't think for themselves. OK?
I won second place last week. Wow. I am so honored.
Right now I am watching Dick Turbin talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Tim's assessment of what Hagel is saying: "Do you mean the Republicans are fed up with the Bush White House?" He salivated as he said this.
Re: FBI Raid of Jefferson's office:
Sensenbrenner: The Constitution has given congress immunity from certain transactions. Court has said no corrupt member of Congress can hide behind the Debate clause. The FBI was able to convince corrupt Congress people without this kind of raid.
The Executive branch has immunity as well. It'snot right for the police to raid the WH and rummage through documents and then return what they don't need.
This debate isn't over. Whether Jefferson is guilty of a criminal defense, he can't use the constitution as a shield. It's about the congress being able to do its job.
The Justice Dept. denied that Hastert is under investigation. One of your competing news channels (ABC) republished the fact t hat the DOJ was investigating Hastert. There was a second denial. News media have a justifiable cynicism but after the denials, it makes us cynical about what the news media does. Fortunately, that's not you, Tim.
Hagel: We all need to reaffirm that no individual is above the law. But some of the things Sensenbrenner brought out are important. I don't know the facts so I'm out of my depth. (Why would today be any different). The documents are sealed and we can work our way through this.
Atmospherics are at work here. We need to work it through.
Russert: Are Republicans upset with the Bush WH?
Hagel: The NSA using new technology to monitor and inventory calls. There are bigger issues than just this and the environment...
Russert: Is there anger among Republicans with the Bush WH?
Hagel: Frustration. Sure there is.
Russert: You said the president should engage directly with Iran.
Hagel: I said that. You can't get to the central issues and core of problems without that direct engagement.
And now Durbin, instead of capitalizing on Frist's nonesense, hangs a Black Congressman out to dry. If Congressman William Jefferson, D-LA was white they would circle the wagon trains.
It was directly from whoever's name was directly above the transcription - sounds like Sensenbrenner but I'd have to go back and look at that.
This is the first and primary goal of liberals worldwide. They need an perpetual underclass to retain power.
I'd rather have all our problems than what's going on in the Democrat party, as their whackos from the far left are dictating to their party.
I agree wholeheartedly....I was simply quoting Sessions, because your point was Sessions point....the senators who voted for the bill, even though they didn't really support it, should NOT be relying on the house to rescue them. Those senators showed no backbone, unlike Sessions, who has been a real leader on the issues.
Tony Orlando is an upstanding citizen who takes his civic pride seriously and believes in standing up for what is right.
He told many fascinating stories of his life's adventures and the interesting people he knew. He is, as I said earlier...a genuinely wonderful man.
I look forward to finding out what he has to say.
Thank goodness Frist is getting out when his term is up. He's been a huge disappointment.
Did Murtha just accuse the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of MURDER...
Jack Murtha's Fifteen Minutes [Mark Kilmer]
On ABC's This Week, Jack Murtha raised the possibility that General Pete Pace ordered "the massacre at Haditha." (Murtha holds that some Marines were killed by an IED and the surviving Martines went nuts, shooting civilians.) Posted at 05/28/2006 08:14:59 AM EST - #
Thanks, AB. I am amazed that Fox is allowing Greg Kelly with such mistakes repeatedly. I am waiting for Bret Beir's take-over from Carl Cameron to see if there is any improvement in WH reporting.
It is about time somebody is saying what Bush has really done. I am so glad you posted this. Now email this to Sean Hannity and Ingraham, since all they do is complain about the president and suck up to the people that would shut them up. Some body tell Inggie that is she thinks she would get the fairness docture defeated, she better forget it. Now I know people in here will blast me and say that she and Hannity are independent and are not robots for the adminstration, but don't you think , kerry, kennedy and soros and the whole demo pelosi , reed gang have enough people to condem the president. THANK YOU FOR THE POST, WE NEED MORE OF THEM.
Exactly, and do those figures include the employer's share?
I had to laugh when Sensenbrenner said that and added "not this time anyway." Jim Sensenbrenner was excellent this morning on the immigration issues. He has a complete grasp of the matter and explained it clearly and forcefully. Hagel had nothing but jibberish.
We figure that's why Vincente Fox was here this past week. He's leaving office and probably looking for work in the US someplace.
Slimy Brian Mulrooney, Conservative Party, who was the Prime Minister of Canada did a farewell lap around the US, too. Next time his name was in the papers he was a big name at Archer Daniels Midland.
Agreed. I copied anita's list for future reference.
Did Sensenbrenner add "Not this time?"
I completely missed that. Good -- I was sort of ticked at the kissing up.
Very key stuff here Peach, glad you brought it up. One of the reasons/excuses for illegal Mexicons coming here is that the Mexicons want to do the jobs we don't want to do.
The bigger question however is do we exempt true potential immigrants who can do jobs in the sciences, computer industries and 20th century jobs that many industries really need for more gardeners, laborers, fruit pickers and the like.
Is that a good move for the country? Is allowing all Mexicons all the time, at any cost, for the potential sake of a few votes that may or may not go to either side, a smart move at the expense of exempting the rest of the world. Many of whom have true talents to offer us here if we let them in instead of millions of illegal Mexicons?
The whole thing is so surreal it boggles the mind when you actually look at the original purpose of immigration to the US.
In the Senate Bill .. Thanks to Dodds Amendment .. We have to ask Mexico first about building and kind of fence
Thanks for the link to that article. I suspected as much. Two key lessons in "Politics 101". 1. The folks screaming the loudest that they are a party's base...usually aren't. If your politicians "aren't listening to you", it is probably because you aren't the majority. 2. Congressional political races are local. You may hate Olympia Snow, Susan Collins and John McCain...but their constituents (read voters) don't. They all have among the highest job approval ratings among their own voters in the country.
It was Hagel that made the comment about the underclass. Unfortunately, he didn't actually tie any of his thoughts together. It was just talking points not united by any principle or thoughtfulness.
Thanks Peach. I'll make it a point to watch MTP later today when it's on the internet.
Below is the text copy of a post I made on another thread. It's my assessment of Haditha. Please know that I am concerned about what happened there but it helps to be aware of the background.
That explains that Russert's water-carrying for the Democrats.
I didn't mean to sound snippy to your post and understand you were quoting ..
Sorry about that
Thank you for that very interesting insight into Mr. Orlando.
Thank you! I agree with your take on Campaign Finance Reform. That was a horrible bill, and still is.
If you put these three so-called leaders up there to scrutinize you can clearly see that their staff members are doing the writing of their statements. It is too bad for them that they just do not have the staff members read them also. They are not aging well like Strom Thurmond, they seem very confused and keep changing their minds like it is different staff people every day trying to keep up with the psychotic behavior of the Donkey Party. I believe the Democrat Party is becoming more schizophrenic every day, and there is nothing verbally vicious that is off the table for them. They think they are close to victory and that makes them more nutty because they think people will listen to their vicious rhetoric and not be turned off by it. They are delusional, and it is good that they keep thinking that way.
Oh, you're right; it was Hagel. Thanks for correcting my assumption; I should have gone back and looked at my own notes.
That's really outrageous. Didn't Dodd add that to the Senate bill?
What a great commercial that would make for his opponent in either the Senate or if he decides to run for the presidency. He is second only to Kerry in his elitism. We used to live in CT and Dobb is the biggest snob I've ever met.
We will find out how unhappy the voters are with the Senate's immigration plan. It is worth noting that the three of the four Dems up for reelection this year voted against the bill. The House bill was passed with a sizeable majority including many Dems.
Dobb s/b Dodd
IF 24% of farming is illegal, 76% is legal.
If 14% of construction is illegal, 86% is legal.
I thought these were jobs Americans would not do!
You all see this nonsense? Congress is above the Law now hmmmm? Amazing, they finally found something in the Budget they are willing to cut!
Threats Followed FBI Search of Congressman's Office
AP via Fox News ^ | Saturday, May 27, 2006 | Fox News
Posted on 05/28/2006 6:35:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
WASHINGTON The constitutional showdown that followed the FBI's search of a congressman's office came down to this: The House threatened budgetary retaliation against the Justice Department. Justice officials raised the prospect of resigning.
That scenario, as described Saturday by a senior administration official, set the stage for President Bush's intervention into the fight over the FBI's search of the office of Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., an eight-term lawmaker being investigated on bribery allegations.
During contentious conversations between the Department of Justice and the House, top law enforcement officials indicated that they'd rather quit than return documents FBI agents, armed with a warrant, seized in an overnight search of Jefferson's office, the administration official said.
Until last Saturday night, no such warrant had ever been used to search a lawmaker's office in the 219-year history of the Congress. FBI agents carted away records in their pursuit of evidence that Jefferson accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars in exchange for helping set up business deals in Africa.
After the raid, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill, lodged a protest directly with Bush, demanding that the FBI return the materials. Bush struck a compromise Thursday, ordering that the documents be sealed for 45 days until
(Sessions) said: "republican senators are telling me it is OK, the house will rescue us"!
The negotiations that are going to occur in the conference committee remind me of old time Labor Union negotiations. The unions always demanded a 20% raise, and almost always settled for a 3-5% raise and some bennies. The House conferees know that they have the backs of the Majority of Americans. They will be strong.
What a great point, Morgan! I've never seen anyone make that point and hadn't thought of that. Very good.