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Gulf News ^ | 5/29/06 | Linda S. Heard (grab your tissues)

Posted on 05/29/2006 4:46:05 PM PDT by Coop

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In the meantime, my column had been posted on a well-known right-wing American website, where it attracted 119 comments. Oddly, none of them displayed any hint of disquiet over the behaviour of the Marines under investigation. Rather, their outrage was reserved for John Murtha and yours truly.

One poster's reaction was to "nuke the Middle East" adding "thank you very much Dishonourable Rep. Jack Murtha". He was later to write "if you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them".

A few of his co-posters rushed to the website of Murtha's Republican challenger Diana Irey to donate campaign funds.

The fact that this murdering troop has the support of even those 119 posters is worrisome. Surely, nobody should defend the indefensible based on some false notion of patriotism.

Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country and behave according to international rules of law and the Geneva Conventions that were drawn up as a result of atrocities committed during the Second World War. There should be a difference between real soldiers and ruthless thugs with public opinion the final arbiter.

If the public, as represented by the 119 posters on the Free Republic website, condones such behaviour or seeks to excuse it, then not only is its members giving their country's soldiers a license to kill arbitrarily, they are altering the fundamental psyche of their nation.

To quote a well-known rationalist intellectual Felix Adler "Love of country is like love of women - he loves her best who seeks to bestow on her the highest good."

The "Freepers" - as members of the Free Republic website have come to be known - may also like to contemplate the words of theologian Howard Thurman who said "During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism."

In short, people who glorify soldiers who purposefully assassinate women and small children are as misguided as those who glorify the blowing up of crowded buses, trains and marketplaces.

Does the donning of a uniform render its wearer impervious to justice? The Nuremberg trials indicate not...


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Ms. Heard,

I'm a "decorated combat Marine." I think that EX-Marine Jack Murtha is a disgraceful piece of trash, as are you. Neither of you bothers with the slightest presumption of innocence, as both of your articles drive home again and again.

I hope my comments were among those in 119 that you found especially disturbing. Trust me, the feeling is mutual.

The difference, of course, is that one of us is actually familiar with combat.

1 posted on 05/29/2006 4:46:09 PM PDT by Coop
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A few of his co-posters rushed to the website of Murtha's Republican challenger Diana Irey to donate campaign funds.

You're darn right, we did. And I hope your whiny little screed, Ms. Heard, leads more to do the same.

http://www.irey.com

Take a stand for our troops and Ms. Irey and against the Dishonorable Jack Murtha and this worthless whiny leftist.

2 posted on 05/29/2006 4:47:28 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs. She can be contacted at lheard@gulfnews.com


3 posted on 05/29/2006 4:49:08 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Jim Robinson; smoothsailing; freema; Just A Nobody; bert; W04Man; NYleatherneck; xpertskir; ...

Only 119 responses on a Murtha piece? I'd say her original article must have been pretty weak! ROTFL! I'm gonna go dig it up, just for the entertainment value.


4 posted on 05/29/2006 4:49:17 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: AlaninSA; PogySailor

By the way, if anyone would like to be on or off the Irey/Murtha/Linda Heard (NOT!) ping list, please FReepmail me.


5 posted on 05/29/2006 4:50:36 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

Ms. Heard,

Respectfully, put a sock in it.

Without some better people than you will ever hope to be, you would not be free to write anything. Think about them for a change instead of finding ways to hate America.


6 posted on 05/29/2006 4:52:01 PM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: Coop

Dear Ms. Heard -

Get bent.

Sincerely,
RightOnline, Raleigh, NC


7 posted on 05/29/2006 4:52:34 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Coop
Ms. Heard, I'm a "decorated combat Marine." I think that EX-Marine Jack Murtha is a disgraceful piece of trash, as are you. Neither of you bothers with the slightest presumption of innocence, as both of your articles drive home again and again. I hope my comments were among those in 119 that you found especially disturbing. Trust me, the feeling is mutual. The difference, of course, is that one of us is actually familiar with combat.

LOVED your post. It was so good, I HAD to re-post it!

I hope my post was in the 119 as well...God Bless You Soldier!!!

8 posted on 05/29/2006 4:52:42 PM PDT by NordP (Dig a moat the length of Mexican border, take the dirt & raise New Orleans' levees--add alligators.)
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To: Coop
The fact that this murdering troop has the support of even those 119 posters is worrisome.

This is journalist talk for, "THEY'RE GUILTY! LET'S LYNCH 'EM!"

9 posted on 05/29/2006 4:53:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Freedom or a baloney sandwich? A DemocRAT will ALWAYS choose the baloney sandwich.)
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To: Coop
"During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has
to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism."


And hating someone trying to pimp his own career at the expense of
the US Military...
Sounds like a virtue to me.
10 posted on 05/29/2006 4:53:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: NordP

Thanks. God bless you and yours as well.


11 posted on 05/29/2006 4:53:45 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Here it is:

What's the price of Iraqi lives?--US military is behaving more like Barbarian hordes

12 posted on 05/29/2006 4:55:19 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Coop

BTTT!


13 posted on 05/29/2006 4:55:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Coop
Since Ms. Heard apparently reads, but does not comprehend, FreeRepublic, I fully support your comments.

War is a deadly business. Apparently, she thinks it should be conducted perfectly, or not at all. She is therefore a brass-plated geopolitical moron. I'll wager that she's never read any detailed histories of WW II. In a single day, due to an error in bombing coordinates, Allied bombers during the invasion of France killed about 6,000 of our troops and French civilians.

By the standards of the drivel she writes, we should have stopped the fight against Hitler and the Nazis, then and there. What a pathetic excuse for a couple articles about the American military she is. I don't support illegal actions by any US troops. The other side deliberately slaughters men, women and children. We use the Military Code of Justice to examine and punish, if appropriate on the facts, any such action by our troops.

Thank God there is the US military to defend our freedoms, including the freedom of this journalistic moron to write and publish her nonsense.

Did I miss anything?

P.S. New info. My primary is over, but because of legal and ethical problems, the incumbent may withdraw/be forced out. He is also losing in the latest poll (5/28) to the Democrat challenger. I seek to be the replacement nominee. For more information see my website. I still need your help.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "Ray Nagin -- 'Good and Hard' "

14 posted on 05/29/2006 4:56:42 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: JeanS

You're quick! :-) Thanks much, Jean. I hope I made some especially disturbing (to Ms. Heard) comments on there. ROTFL!!


15 posted on 05/29/2006 4:56:46 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Boohoo.

Terrorist use bombs. Blow up US veicals. Hide behind women and children when chased. You call that following Geneva convention rules?
My bet is that the terrorist killed innocents just to blame it on the Marines for pr attention.

16 posted on 05/29/2006 4:57:31 PM PDT by chemicalman (Many have skeletons in their closets. In New Orleans, we have skeletons in our attics.)
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To: Coop
The fact that this murdering troop has the support of even those 119 posters is worrisome.

Typical, the investigation just got started, and no Courts Marshall has been convened, but the Marines involved are a 'murdering troop.' I am not impressed.

BTW, Happy Memorial day from a former squid.

17 posted on 05/29/2006 4:57:55 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (Free Travis McGee!!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Best of luck in your endeavor, and nice response to that hand-wringing embarassment from GulfNews.


18 posted on 05/29/2006 4:58:22 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Ms. Heard,

Shall we wait for the investigation to be complete before judgment is passed? And if there is a conviction, are you assuming there will be no justice passed on the guilty?
You liberals are happiest, indeed the only time you are happy, when there is trouble involving our troops.
19 posted on 05/29/2006 4:58:29 PM PDT by Excellence (Since November 6, 1998)
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To: Coop
The "Freepers" - as members of the Free Republic website have come to be known - may also like to contemplate the words of theologian Howard Thurman who said "During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable, even though it has to masquerade often under the guise of patriotism."

The left's motto is to blame America for everything. If they want to denounce patriotism, why don't they admit that some if not all of them are traitors.

20 posted on 05/29/2006 4:58:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Thanks, and to you and yours!


21 posted on 05/29/2006 4:59:21 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country...

No they should not. They are there to kill people and break things.
22 posted on 05/29/2006 5:00:19 PM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat (Disclaimer: No live moonbats were harmed during the making of this screen name.)
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To: Coop

The hateful liberals and their media want a war were no one dies and no mistakes occur.


23 posted on 05/29/2006 5:01:05 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NordP

God bless you, MARINE!!! (not soldier)


24 posted on 05/29/2006 5:01:36 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I see dumb people, they're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat

If it means we can abolish the State Department (hear that, Linda?!?), then perhaps we can discuss making military personnel ambassadors. Until then [expletives deleted], Ms. Heard.


25 posted on 05/29/2006 5:01:57 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country ...

Ms. Heard, grow up.

26 posted on 05/29/2006 5:02:01 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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To: Coop

Great post Coop, thank you for your service and God Bless You.


27 posted on 05/29/2006 5:02:05 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Coop
War crimes need to be punished. No one is better at it than the U.S.

If this writer wants to indict every U.S. service member for the crimes of a tiny handful, I'd like to respectfully invite her to go ^@$%%$.

28 posted on 05/29/2006 5:02:19 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Shimmer128; NordP
God bless you, MARINE!!! (not soldier)

I consider both terms to be a compliment. :-)

29 posted on 05/29/2006 5:03:25 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

geeze, just found out I'm a right winger, I didn't know that..


30 posted on 05/29/2006 5:03:33 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Shimmer128

Whoops! My bad....(bro was 101st Army Ranger) - it's my default setting ;-)


31 posted on 05/29/2006 5:04:02 PM PDT by NordP (Dig a moat the length of Mexican border, take the dirt & raise New Orleans' levees--add alligators.)
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To: Coop
...Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country...

Incorrect. The military is what you get when ambassadors fail. As someone posted earlier, they are there to kill things and break sh*t.
32 posted on 05/29/2006 5:04:21 PM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: Coop
that this murdering troop has the support of even those 119 posters is worrisome. Surely, nobody should defend the indefensible based on some false notion of patriotism.

The real problem here, Ms. Heard, is that we don't KNOW that these men committed this crime. You have them already tried and convicted. The outrage on Free Republic has to do with the fact that most of us here have seen this kind of bu!!$h!t smear time after time by the drive-by media, and we know that the likelihood is great that the crime never happened, or at least not as it has been characterized. Given that you are undoubtedly fair-minded, I expect to see your apology and retraction when we are proved right, as I am sure we will be.

Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country and behave according to international rules of law and the Geneva Conventions that were drawn up as a result of atrocities committed during the Second World War. There should be a difference between real soldiers and ruthless thugs with public opinion the final arbiter.

Marines, as a group, are some of the finest citizens this country produces. Remember the line from "The Marine Corps Hymn" that talks about "to keep our honor clean"? It's their THEME song. I'm sure you've probably never heard it, or if you have, you haven't contemplated the words.

If the public, as represented by the 119 posters on the Free Republic website, condones such behaviour or seeks to excuse it, then not only is its members giving their country's soldiers a license to kill arbitrarily, they are altering the fundamental psyche of their nation.

First, you have a subject / verb agreement in the first sentence in the paragraph. That nit pick aside, the sentence itself makes no sense. How is a right wing website that has about 100,000 posters, an almost statistically insignificant portion of the American populace, changing the psyche of the American public?

In short, people who glorify soldiers who purposefully assassinate women and small children are as misguided as those who glorify the blowing up of crowded buses, trains and marketplaces.

Alright, I'm starting to get p!$$ed. How do you jump from us defending the men who are most likely being railroaded, to saying we glorify assassins? John Kerry admits to having been witness to, and having committed war crimes. He was a few thousand votes in Ohio from being President. What do you have to say about his actions?

33 posted on 05/29/2006 5:04:31 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Coop

AND you'd be right!!! The ULTIMATE compliment to you!!!


34 posted on 05/29/2006 5:05:25 PM PDT by NordP (Dig a moat the length of Mexican border, take the dirt & raise New Orleans' levees--add alligators.)
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To: Coop
"During times of war, hatred becomes quite respectable...."

Finally, my screen name is vindicated. I feel so much better, and it's all about feelings, isn't it?

35 posted on 05/29/2006 5:06:11 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat
No they should not. They are there to kill people and break things.

I agree. Those peopple that provide aid and comfort as well as know information that would be useful to our troops, are part of the problem and will not garner any sympathy from me. When faced with this situation, the US Marines acted correctly.

36 posted on 05/29/2006 5:06:40 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Coop
Ms. Heard,

I'd suggest that all left-wing, moon-bat, "journalists" echoing Murtha (including YOU) be considered traitors until proven otherwise. I thought we tried cases in the courtroom, not the media.

In any event, we all anxiously await your defense.

37 posted on 05/29/2006 5:07:01 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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Dear Ms Heard,

After much deep contemplation this Memorial Day on the sacrifice in blood of the many brave soldiers who have maintained the arduous trails of freedom.

Dead soldiers are the foundation stones of this Greatest Nation on Earth, and the living fighting soldiers are the ones who are paying the mortgage so that I can enjoy this freedom and prosperity.

War is ugly, sadly, innocent people get hurt when cowards use civilians as sheilds

soldiers get hurt and wars get lost when political strife divides the mission.

Your foolish words have prompted me to make another much larger donation this day to the Diana Irey campaign fund.

It is the very least I can do to support our troops.

38 posted on 05/29/2006 5:07:11 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Coop

Semper fi!


39 posted on 05/29/2006 5:07:28 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Coop

She's just mad that everyone's not jumping on the lynch the Military bandwagon. Muthra is a poor example of an ex-marine and a shame to my home state: I only wished I can be one to vote again this "rotten to the core" leftist.

I take it she is writing from the confines of her office on our shores about an event that happened halfway around the global and assumes that everything happened as she was told.

If you want to pony cash to help the civilian deaths like you b@tch about the 9-11 survivors got, then do it. Most of those billions were raised by US citizens not the military/government. Quit this leftist "lets solve the problem" with tax money.

War causes deaths of anyone who in the operational area, which it is a shame when civilian population gets harmed but no war would have been won if the military had to walk on eggshells to win.


40 posted on 05/29/2006 5:08:37 PM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Coop
Does the donning of a uniform render its wearer impervious to justice? The Nuremberg trials indicate not

Ms. Heard, your oblique reference to Nazi atrocities show your true colors. Our Marines no matter what happened deserve a presumption of innocence before any judgments can be rendered. On the other hand you have condemned them as war criminals in advance.

You have no idea what real patriots are about. On a day when we remember those who lost their lives in defense of our country you demean those who have gone before us in defense of liberty and freedom. We on the other hand will never forget.
41 posted on 05/29/2006 5:08:55 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: AlaninSA
Linda S. Heard is a specialist writer on Middle East affairs.

From http://www.habtoor.com/anenemycalledapathy/l-1.htm

"Linda Heard is a British editor, journalist and columnist currently based in Cairo where she is a correspondent for the English-language Saudi daily The Arab News. Besides the writer’s weekly column in the Gulf News and regular articles in Shindagah magazine, her political commentaries have been published in Ahram Weekly, the South China Morning Post, Athens News, Palestine Chronicle, CounterPunch, Alternet, Online Journal and Outlook India."

...The writer’s greatest ambition is to witness an end to the terrible suffering of the Palestinian people in her lifetime and a viable Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital. She would also like to see a multi-polar world instead of one where a hyper-power is able to ride roughshod, unchallenged.

splains a lot to me.

42 posted on 05/29/2006 5:09:03 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Code Pink, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the womyn)
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To: Coop
"Military personnel should act as ambassadors for their country...."

----

Linda, pull your head out of your ***, and start writing about french food.

43 posted on 05/29/2006 5:09:48 PM PDT by HighWheeler (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. - Marion Barry)
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To: HarleyLady27
Hey, you and me made an international (albeit, lame) publication! Of course, the author can't get even the simplest facts straight, attributing your comment (as well as your gender) to me, and another poster's call for nuking the Mid East to me as well.

But it would appear that I'm squarely in Ms. Heard's gunsights. (Hey Linda, see the irony there?!?!?) I welcome the challenge. I'll be glad to E-mail you, Ms. Heard, and I can guarantee my account will still be active if you have the courage to respond. Maybe I can get next week's entire column about me!!! Heck, maybe you can even get a sentence or two correct!

44 posted on 05/29/2006 5:10:38 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

It appears that Mizzzzzzzz Heard has already convicted the Marines in her own tiny, fevered mind......


45 posted on 05/29/2006 5:10:44 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: jveritas
"The hateful liberals and their media want a war were no one dies and no mistakes occur."

--And the US is soundly and humiliatingly beaten.

And then, and then all the communist dictators and their (the lefts) new hardline islamic overlords all sit down and sing kumbaya and eat cupcakes.

F'ing idiots.
46 posted on 05/29/2006 5:11:39 PM PDT by silver charm (Do not be deceived, God can not be mocked. A man shall reap what he sows. Gal. 6:7)
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To: Coop

I am not sure if any of my comments were on that thread she referenced...BUT, it seems to me that it was MURTHA that was trying to find "excuses" for behaviour he had already convicted the Marines of participating in.

I think it was the freepers that were asking for facts and a trial before convicting anyone.

I thought THAT was the American Way...and sure seems more patriotic to me, than a couple of loudmouths proclaiming them guilty without benefit of a completed investigation or a trial.


47 posted on 05/29/2006 5:11:40 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Coop

To Ms Heard: Oh would that your heart would bleed so passionately for the victims of terrorism, many of which are our armed forces which you so blithely condemn on Memorial Day! Please do the country a favor and dry up and blow away.


48 posted on 05/29/2006 5:11:46 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: KTM rider
Your foolish words have prompted me to make another much larger donation this day to the Diana Irey campaign fund. It is the very least I can do to support our troops.

Well done! I hope many others follow your lead. :-)

49 posted on 05/29/2006 5:13:10 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
"Surely, nobody should defend the indefensible based on some false notion of patriotism."

Surely, nobody should pronounce guilt without knowledge of the facts. .....as you and Murtha have done. Let the process play itself out.

50 posted on 05/29/2006 5:13:18 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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