Posted on 06/01/2006 3:20:50 AM PDT by Doctor13
So let's talk about Yugoslavia!
Finally, after more than a decade of one-way journalistic language that in no way made sense, an opening seems to have been created in France in the press (1), and perhaps not only in France, to speak about things differently? or simply to start speaking about Yugoslavia.
A debate, a discussion, a discourse, a fruitful discussion seems to have become possible, a general questioning, of reports that speak for themselves... Previously: nothing, and still more nothing? defamations instead of a debate, expressed by exclusively prefabricated words, repeated ad infinitum, used like an automatic weapon.
So let's enlarge this breach or opening, the springtime of words. Let us at last hear one another instead of screaming and snarling launched from two enemy camps. But also, let's no longer tolerate beings (?), evil (!) spirits (?), who, with respect to the tragic Yugoslav problem, continue firing word-bullets like "revisionism," "apartheid," "Hitler," "bloody dictatorship," etc. Let's stop all the comparisons and all the parallels made about the wars in Yugoslavia. Let's stick to the facts which, like the facts of a civil war, unleashed or at least co-produced by European bad faith or, at least, ignorance, already punctured, are terrible enough from all sides. Let's stop comparing Slobodan Milosevic to Hitler. Let's stop comparing him and his wife Mira Markovic to Macbeth and his Lady and let's stop drawing parallels between the couple and the dictator Ceaucescu and his wife Elena. And let's never again use the expression "concentration camps" for the camps established during the war of succession in Yugoslavia.
True: intolerable camps existed between 1992 and 1995 on the territory of the Yugoslav Republics, chiefly in Bosnia. Let's stop the exclusive and mechanical association of these camps with the Bosnian Serbs: there were also Croat and Muslim camps, and the crimes committed in these camps are and will be judged by The Hague Tribunal. And finally, let's stop associating massacres (of which there were many in Srebrenica in July 1995, and are in fact by far the most abominable) to Serbian forces or paramilitaries. Let's also listen finally to the survivors of the massacres committed by Muslims in the numerous Serbian villages that surround Srebrenica, the Muslim town, massacres committed over and over again during the three years before the fall of Srebrenica, massacres led by the commander of Srebrenica, leading in July 1995 to infernal vengeance, to eternal shame for those Bosnian Serbs responsible for it for the great butchery, and for once the oft-repeated word is in its proper place in the phrase "the greatest in Europe since World War II," while adding, nevertheless, this piece of information: that all the soldiers or Muslim men from Srebrenica who fled from Bosnia into Serbia by crossing the Drina River, the border between the two States, fled to Serbia, the country that was at the time under Milosevic's rule, and that all these soldiers who arrived in Serbia, a so-called enemy, were saved. No butchery or massacre there.
Yes, let's listen, after having listened to the "Mothers of Srebrenica," let's also listen to the mothers or one single mother from the village of Kravica, Serbian, close by, recount the Orthodox Christmas massacre in 1992-1993, committed by Muslim forces from Srebrenica, a massacre also conducted against the women and children of Kravica (the only crime for which the word genocide is appropriate).
And let's stop blindly associating the "snipers" of Sarajevo with "the Serbs": most of the French members of the UN peacekeeping force who were killed in Sarajevo were victims of Muslim gunmen. And let's stop associating the siege (horrible, stupid, incomprehensible) of Sarajevo exclusively with the Bosnian Serbs: in Sarajevo during 1992-1995, tens of thousands of the Serbian population remained blockaded in central neighborhoods like Grbavica, which were in turn put under siege - and how! - by Muslim forces. And let's stop attributing rapes exclusively to Serbs. And let's stop connecting words unilaterally, like one of Pavlov's dogs. Let's enlarge the opening. May the breach never again be choked by rotten and poisoned words. Evil spirits out. Leave language once and for all. Let's learn the art of the question, let's make a trip to the sonorous land, in the name of Yugoslavia, in the name of another Europe. Long live the other Europe! Long live Yugoslavia! Zivela Jugoslavia.
(1) See, among other things, the articles by Brigitte Salino and d'Anne Weber in Le Monde, May 4, 2006; the commentary by Piere Macrabru in Le Figaro, which was published on the same day; and the appeal made by Christian Salmon in Liberation on May 5, 2006.
Translated by Milo Yelesiyevich
Peter Hanke is one of the most prominent and popular German writers of the post war generation. He stirred a senation with a long essay defending Serbia against what he describes as a conspiracy of lazy and mendacious journalists who surf "from cliche to cliche."
He developed a growing mistrust of news accounts of the conflict, and decided to visit Serbia, "the land of the so-called aggressor. His report is part travelogue and part political tract.
maybe, about Iraq, but there was enough evidence from the past to believe it...Kosovo is altogether a different story. At one time, Saddam did have chemicals..and he did use them to kill thousands...he did give the UN the run around for a long time...he did invade Kuwait, and they did use them in the Gulf war in small quantities.
Swartzkoff (name mispelled) had approved the bombing of a warehouse and the warehouse did have chemical weapons that unleashed a cloud of nerve agents.....fact...
So, Kosovo is in a class all by itself......
Yellowjacket
see one post above this ...ma bell to hoplite...thank you so kindly.
got it.....Also thanks for the introductions, and you know what I'm talking about. I sent a message back in response.
You are welcome.
Tom
yeah, great guys.
The Zarqawi killing was awesome with the Iraqi people cheering and making noise...:) From the reactions, you can determine who is pro-terrorist or pro-Iraqi/CF.
one big one down, hundreds more to go.....
We have a challenge concerning the Kosovo issue.....the independence is a bad thing. I sense that it was designed to effect the individual Russian states and not really for kosovo but Kosovo was used by the U.S. Administration to cause a domino effect in Russia....this is not good.
Nice to finally meet you, Michael/Hoplite as you affectionately call me, Big Z.
You didn't tell me you lived further up the coast, is that why we never met for hot chocolate/coffee in San Jose last year?
"Given the Serbian treatment of captured males, regardless of any actual military affiliation, evacuating turned out to be the best of a bad set of options for Srebrenica's defenders."
?????? Their treatment of POW's....you got to be kidding. How about the severed heads of Serb POW's by the Muslim Muh. that we (U.S. Admin, Klinton administered and Clarkie carried out)...brought into the Balkans to stir the trouble and behead the POW's....that would be Serbs or anyone else these jackels could find. The Jackels then went to Croatia, to feed on more Serbs....led by head jackel, Ceku....in operation storm....
Let's catch up.......with the facts and reality.
Michael how can you defense against this, with your continual denial of spinocracy?
Nah - let's just stick with your revisionism and CIA conspiro-nutjob stories.
I find them far more entertaining.
We can call him Mikey for his infantile name-calling he's called us.
this was exactly what I was referring to...I haven't gotten the hang of the HTML posting methods yet..
The stories are supported by fact and history...a dark history in our countries political agenda. I support every campaign, war, Hiroshima, and even the middle east to the hilt..but, the Balkans, that ranks with the lynchings that occurred in the south at the turn of the century and beyond to the 30's....another story.
You know what this is so easy....? I've found after my last divorce that telling the truth was always the easy thing to do....:)
Of course.
And being a poor man's David Irving is going to bay big dividends for you someday too.
Well, at least it would if the CIA wasn't keeping you down.
Fight the power, Tom.
Fight the power.
Still got the teeth out, doing the Dhimmie kneepad-thing I see.
Still got the teeth out, doing the Dhimmie kneepad-thing I see.
Funny how you have to dodge certain truths, pancake-flipper.
He is no dhimmie he is a LOVER of all things islamic and he cannot deny it. LOL!! He does the kneepad thing very willingly. He should change his handle to MONICA-hmmmmmmm.
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