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Illegals' tax deal could kill bill
The Washington Times ^ | Charles Hurt

Posted on 06/02/2006 4:20:55 AM PDT by 2NY

The long-fought Senate immigration bill that opponents say grants amnesty to 10 million illegal aliens is unconstitutional and appears headed for certain demise, Senate Republicans now say. A key feature of the Senate bill is that it would make illegals pay back taxes before applying for citizenship, a requirement that supporters say will raise billions of dollars in the next decade. There's just one problem: The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits revenue-raising legislation from originating in the Senate.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderlist; borders; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; notapennyforillegals; whatpartofillegal
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Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: EQAndyBuzz

"Let's seal the border first, then we can talk. That should be the only thing the house says in negotiations with the senate."

Sealed borders, backed by renewed mass deportations.
The laws on our books already call for illegals to be deported.
We don't even need new laws for that.


42 posted on 06/02/2006 5:20:13 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison

Probably brought in by the illegals.


43 posted on 06/02/2006 5:22:41 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: clawrence3
You guys are really reaching now.

Who's reaching?

44 posted on 06/02/2006 5:23:14 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Condor51

Actually, it means another wave of illegals to replace the ones "shamnestied."


45 posted on 06/02/2006 5:24:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
The prevailing wage requirement sort of mitigates the "bargain" aspect of the illegals. If the Senate version becomes law, we will still have to import labor if we want people who will be willing to work for sustandard wages.

that's why every 20-25 years, amnesty is granted to illegals. This bill will legalize the people here, but will be an incentive for more people to come here illegally.

46 posted on 06/02/2006 5:24:27 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Vacancies will come up on the SCOTUS.

Even now there's no SOLID conservative majority there that can be counted on. It is a very tenuous, struggling majority with Anthony weak-kneed Kennedy being the swing vote. When John Paul Stevens or Ruth Bader Ginsberg toss in the towel, you want Democrats in charge of the Senate??

Also, had your "logic" been applied all along, we would not have John Roberts or Sam Alito. Of whom now you're apparently so confident you trust them to make up for a Democrat Senate.

Flawed logic alert!


47 posted on 06/02/2006 5:24:28 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: stopem
And the majority are mexican nationals straight from mexico of which there are a lot of mexico's criminals in the mix. They aren't the "good people" they are portrayed to be.

YOU apparently missed GW's speech to the Chambers of Commerce yesterday where he said that illegals "...brought some crime to our communities".

I posted this response in the live thread:

Some?????

Almost 1 million sex crimes by illegal immigrants in U.S.
  Posted by rooster1xy.
On Bloggers & Personal 05/30/2006 3:16:57 PM CDT · 63 replies · 857+ views


Violent Crimes Institute ^ | 5-06 | Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin
The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States Copyright © 2006, Violent Crimes Institute, www.drdsk.com By Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D. Violent Crimes Institute, Atlanta, Georgia Introduction: After conducting a 12 month in-depth study of illegal immigrants who committed sex crimes and murders for the time period of January 1999 through April 2006 , it is clear that the U.S. public faces a dangerous threat from sex predators who cross the U.S. borders illegally. There were 1500 cases analyzed in depth. They included: serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides, and child...

48 posted on 06/02/2006 5:24:29 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: stopem; Jameison
That's right - no U.S. citizen ever makes / sells crack cocaine or any other drug - keep the stereotypes flowing.
49 posted on 06/02/2006 5:25:07 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: polymuser
"Can we please, please just shut down congress (both houses) for, like, ten years? PLEASE?"

Best idea I've read on here in a long time! We need an amnesty from congress!

50 posted on 06/02/2006 5:25:31 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: MountainMenace; All

Ya know, 23 'Pubbies voted yes - all the rest were Democrats. IIRC there were 69 "Yeahs" so that means 46 votes were Democrat.

This Immigration Bill is a DEMOCRAT victory, that was achieved with the help of RINOs and appeasers.


51 posted on 06/02/2006 5:26:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: demkicker

This whole thread, if you REALLY think the current Supreme Court is going to overturn any compromise bill based on the fact the SENATE suggested illegal aliens pay back taxes.


52 posted on 06/02/2006 5:27:03 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: 2NY
There's just one problem: The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits revenue-raising legislation from originating in the Senate.

The U.S. Constitution hasn't stopped these people before; why would it stop them now?

53 posted on 06/02/2006 5:28:33 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: mission9

"The Senate bill also specifies that illegals will be paid "prevailing wage" that means union wages to you novices."


The prevailing wage aspect of this law doesnt bother me. If you really think about it you would see that it really creates a disincentive to employers to hire illegals. The whole point of hiring illegals in the first place is cheap labor. If the labor isnt cheap why would you run the legal risk of hiring illegals?

Havign said that. I am totally apposed to the Senates retarded bill.


54 posted on 06/02/2006 5:29:28 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: dennisw
.#2 These illegal alien serfs don't kick in enough to SS whether they are legal or illegal

Like I said, I can argue with myself on either point. Yours is one of those arguments.

Struggling to find a rationale for this bill is fruitless, because it's completely insane from top to bottom.

55 posted on 06/02/2006 5:31:53 AM PDT by angkor
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To: TomGuy

And, how many U.S. citizens (including Catholic priests based in the U.S.) committed sex crimes in the same time period? Look, I am on the record as targeting any illegal alien guilty of serious crimes - I also have no problem with the death penalty for rape and child molestation - most illegal aliens are not child molesters and only want to make a better life for themselves and their families.


56 posted on 06/02/2006 5:32:27 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Wurlitzer
Not only is this Senate bill AMNESTY but AMNESTY on steroids where felonies were committed and the felons are given AMNESTY and the taxpayers pay to felons to become legal citizens.

You haven't been paying attention. Retraining camp for you! You apparently didn't drink enough kool-aid.

lol

[I enjoy reposting this Snow video: } We had the Clintonian parsing and the Kerryite nuancing. Jane Castain's 'translation of the rhetoric' (see A citizen's primer on immigration reform) seems counter to Tony Snow who wants 'linguistic precision'.

Snow/WH: 'It isn't amnesty. Honest. It isn't. Trust me.'

[Snow needs a good dictionary and a revisit to the 1986 Bill, which WAS called amnesty, and which contained provisions very similar to the current Senate bill.

No matter how much lipstick the WH puts on this pig, it is still a pig.]

57 posted on 06/02/2006 5:32:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: clawrence3

I did say "PROBABLY". BTW do you listen to news at all? Do you read about anything happening on the Texas border??

If I had the time I would give you tons upon tons of links to articles that talk about ALL THE DRUGS COMING IN ON THE MEXICAN BORDER with Texas by mexican drug cartels!!!!
The mexican drug catels even build sophisticated underground tunnels to PUSH DRUGS upon Americans.

But alas I do not have the time guess you will have to self educate.


58 posted on 06/02/2006 5:32:46 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: 2NY

That is not revenue raising legislation, it is legislation demanding enforcement of existing laws.


59 posted on 06/02/2006 5:33:45 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Condor51

Why is it that the left and their allies keep telling us that food will cost more if we end illegal immigration but they keep enacting these worthless dairy compacts which keeps a gallon of milk above $3?? Of course, I know the answer. A hatred of real capitalism. If the dairy compact were to end, competition would bring the price down almost immediately and if illegal immigration stopped, we might come up with a machine that picks lettuce, which would lower its price.

No, the leftits love their unions, and their guilds, and their subsidies, and their taxes. They care nothing about the cost of production.


60 posted on 06/02/2006 5:34:12 AM PDT by cotton1706
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