Posted on 06/03/2006 3:10:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
Think about it: 27% of Republicans favor Prop 82. Now that's believable since a similar percent favor the Austrian.e
I am posting the TRUTH. THAT is what upsets you. I am not letting you hide behind claiming to be a conservative, while doing everything to try to get conservatives to not support Arnold, which will have the DIRECT RESULT of a leftist Dem being elected as governor of CA.
You voted AGAINST Arnold's poposition 76, to limit spending, you voted WITH the Dems on that one. You DO keep bashing Arnold, you do NOT criticize Arnold's Dem opponents, you do NOT criticize the Dem Legislature.
YOUR ACTIONS HELP THE DEMS.
You can claim to be a conservative all day long, but the EFFECT and RESULT of your actions is to HELP THE DEMS.
As I said, ANYONE can see that. The Choice is Arnold or the Dems. You attack Arnold with fangs and claws, THAT HELPS THE DEMS.
Perhaps.
Really felt good, though.
I can hardly wait for November.
Torie, large majorities of the public think this is the crappiest economy since Hoover. Bush's base was always 40 plus. He's lost 10 plus of that because of illegal immigration alone. I don't find the numbers shocking or disturbing, I think they are what is to be expected.
The media comments were about longer term trends, not Bush per se. I agree with you on the Bush numbers. Bush was at 50%, and then the Tories lost confidence, and he went to 40%. And then those concerned about immigration left him, and he went to 30%. But don't you find the education grid in the California poll interesting? It rather floors me myself. I can't quite get a grip on it.
Well looks like that poll's pseudo crediblilty just went down the toilet with any of those pseudo-conservatives that tried to identify themselves as "Conservatives." They are about as conservative as some of the pseudo-conservatives right here on this very thread!!! Phooey!!! What a bunch of Hoooey!!!
I think it's more than just a few markets, but it is a chronic problem nationwide. Here in Nashville, there used to be two major papers, the (liberal Democrat) Tennessean, and the (Conservative Republican) Banner. After awhile, the Banner was purchased by Democrats and moved center-left (but was still much more Conservative than the Tennessean, AKA "Praavda on the Cumberland"). When the Banner folded in the mid to late '90s, it gave the Tennessean carte blanche to move even further left. There's no real paper of any size in the largest TN media markets that caters beyond the left. Aside from the Washington Times, I can't really name any substantial right-of-center newspaper publication.
"and I think the networks were more obviously biased back them then now, putting aside Dan Rather."
I think they're even more biased today. I can't turn on any major network news broadcast that doesn't read like a doom and gloom DNC press release. Even Fox News has moved leftward since its inception.
"Lately, the Washington Post and now, even the LA Times, after they did their recent purge, are more centrist then they used to be."
Hadn't noticed. But it's not like I make a habit of reading their op/ed pages.
"I don't think the Bush fatigue can be attibuted to the educated being brain washed by the media. I just don't believe that."
I'd never imply that. As was mentioned, part of it is peer pressure, and some of it is brainwashing from their school days. An arrogant elitism, and it certainly didn't start with this Bush. Go back to the '80s and I saw firsthand the kind of hatred directed at the GOP towards Reagan, portrayed as a stupid, senile, reactionary nut who was anxious to fire off nukes. For awhile, when I was in public school, I believed all of that crap -- you were just told not to question things. When I started to do just that, my stock in trade sunk dramatically amongst these "educators" (and even family). I realized just how much they had invested in villifying the political Right and the GOP. In the end, the hate is all they have left.
No, you're posting in CAPS. You're an arrogant, repetitive boor. But like you made it plain, you like your Socialism from RINOs. I'm sorry to hear you hate Conservative Republicans.
Here's my counterpoint. Take the action to it's logical absurdity. McClintock wins both nominations. In that case the Senator is free to choose, probably the governorship, but the New Majority won't follow. McClintock would be stranded. End of party support (money). End of public career.
On the other hand, if the Senator wins the #2 spot by a wide margin and the Austrian struggles, the spotlight is on both. At that point the MSM can't escape the obvious conclusion. Conservatives are irate because the Republican party foisted a liberal on them.
The CAGOP has then got to choose between retaining control of the CAGOP or electing their European pretender. Whatever they do to support their champion they'll loose. If they force the Austrian to the right, he wins by a small margin but the Wilsonegger gang looses control of the party. If they defend the Austrian, he looses to his opponent by a small margin. They won't do either. They'll take no action except to remember their foolish violation of the 11th Commandment:
Support a liberal and you guarantee victory to the opposition; real liberals who hate registered Republicans regardless of their governing philosophy.
Everybody prefers the conservative label over the dastardly liberal label! Millions will tell a pollster they are conservative while either having no real understanding of the definition, or just thinking it's a good label unless anyone thinks it makes them appear too harsh and not easy-going enough.
Over the years I've seen many FReepers claim the obligatory conservative label to fit in to this site, some who are clueless what it really means to be a consistent conservative over who they support and what issues they should be lined up with and supporting.
Some even think to this very day that being identified/registered as or voting for any Republican is enough. Really! That's what it is... just a comfort zone! That's all it is to far too many people, especially here in CA!!!
Amen!
The major networks are every bit as biased now as before. However, there are so many alternative sources of news, they don't have nearly the impact they used to have.
I'm not upset. I just don't care for the lies. I find little truth in what you post, FO.
If Arnold wants conservatives' support, he can start acting like a Republican. His continued left leaning actions are what causing his loss of support, not what I post at FR. More liberal appointees, more big spending, more cowtowing to the most radical leftists in the legislature, etc. If you want to sit back and accept that, that is your perogative, but don't expect others to not speak out when his actions enable the leftists.
Everybody? My, getting a touch hyperbolic, aren't you? Seeing as there is a substantial number of people who claim otherwise (else there would be no need for this discussion), EVERYBODY doesn't accept the Log Cabin claim.
Actually, I have in a private communication, in writing from someone in Russo's office that the Log Cabin fiasco wasn't Russo's fault because Russo signed it under duress using a mechanical signature. The statement was part of a list of complaints about why the election loss wasn't Russo's fault (IOW there was little need for the person to lie to me about it) becuase of Parsky's manipulations. Simon's chief mistake of being too trusting of his staff was repeated in both Wilson Jones and their backstabbing plant, Ed Rollins. Parsky did force him to take WJ or not get the money raised by President Bush.
Simon was incompetent, yes, but no more so than is Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was pretty lame during the recent initiative fiasco. Personally, I blame Gerry Parsky for loss too, both because of the decisions that were made and because he had a personal vendetta against the Simon family.
In any event, it explains why I voted for Davis. I don't have much patience with those whom I consider to be dishonest.
No, it doesn't. Your "explanation" presumes that Davis was demonstrably so much more honest than Simon that he deserved your vote. You may believe it, but it doesn't even pass the sniff test for logic, much less internal honesty.
Other than that, I could care less what Simon's positions were on gay issues. I consider that about a third tier issue in California. I hope that helps.
Your having voted for a demonstrated crook in Davis refutes that explanation (Oracle? the power crisis and John Bryson?). I just ran a Google search that lists over four hundred instances on FR alone in which your name comes up on discussions including gay marriage. You have posted a good many articles on gay issues and are routinely notified of them. You are on record here as supporting gay marriage and have expended the energy to disparage those who are opposed. I have seen you write that it is an indisputable matter of right.
It is the emotional vitriol and bitterness with which you fling epithets at Mr. Simon in those posts that does most to dispute your claim that this is strictly a matter of rejecting Simon's inyrgtity. There is more to this story and that you offer it as a sole explanation suggests that you are obfuscating the question.
No, you've made my point for me. It was the RINOs who first abandoned the GOP. The conservatives supported Wilson and were abandoned by the "moderates" when Simon won the nomination. They will never reciprocate for conservative candidates. There is no reason to expect that supporting them for office will gain conservatives anything.
Carry_Okie -- you and the rest of the so-called "conservatives" are DOING THE SAME thing, helping the Dems defeat Arnold. Torie was at least honest about it.
I'm not doing anything to help Democrats, I'm simply not supporting Arnold.
X + 0 is not the same as X -1 and never will be no matter how hard you dishonestly spin it otherwise.
This post is dishonest. It is not the same to refuse to vote for a candidate as opposed to voting for his opponent. It is mathematically unequal. It is totally dishonest of you to equate the two.
As good a guess as anybody's, but still only conjecture. We really don't know what the New Majority would do, but they are certainly not the only funding source. And it's amazing how many moneyed new friends show up to embrace a winner. Any winner. And then there are us pesky conservatives with checkbooks at the ready for truly conservative leaders. You might be surprised at how much financial support would be available for a Governor McClintock.
"At that point the MSM can't escape the obvious conclusion."
Please. The MSM has made a career out of "escaping the obvious". It's just them being them. The last thing they will ever admit--no matter how obvious--is that conservatives are mad because the Big Tent GOP pecksniffs foisted a liberal on us.
"The CAGOP has then got to choose between retaining control of the CAGOP or electing their European pretender."
The CAGOP, like all similarly situated political organizations, will always act to protect themselves. The Austrian would be left to fend for himself.
As I have said before, I no longer have much faith in the system because it has deteriorated to the point where it has become a choice without much of a difference. I have pulled that "least worse" lever for the last time. Arnold is nothing more than a Rat in RINO clothes.
In other words, if I were Arnold I would not count on many conservative votes. I'm all done. So are my conservative friends and associates. Around here, I haven't found a single one of them who is planning on voting for Arnold. He very well may win in November but, if he does, I would guess the margin will be razor thin.
"Just defeating the Meathead Initiative is reason enough to vote."
Exactly! Along with a few other absurb bond measures, one of which was actually touted by a local supporter as "not increasing taxes".
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