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Ringling Bros. Battles to Keep Elephants (Fighting animal rights advocates)
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 3, 2006 | David Crary , AP

Posted on 06/03/2006 4:01:38 PM PDT by CedarDave

The Asian elephants used in the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus are at the heart of perhaps the most bitter animal-care fight around, one that's dragged through court for six years already and is inching toward a trial.

Its adversaries - a group including the Humane Society of the United States, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Animal Welfare Institute - argue vehemently that circus life is inherently cruel to the elephants.

They allege that the use of sharpened hooks by trainers, the routine use of chains, the separation of baby elephants from their mothers and other common circus practices add up to an egregious violation of the Endangered Species Act, which covers the Asian elephant and prohibits harm to it. The suit's goal is a court order halting these practices, which the activists believe would force Ringling to give up elephants altogether.

Ringling shows no signs of bowing to pressure, and has become more outspoken in defending itself since the first-of-its-kind suit was filed in 2000. "We train animals through reward, repetition and reinforcement - based on science," said former zookeeper Bruce Read, Ringling's vice president for animal stewardship. "Punishment is not used in the circus."

More generally, Read said circus life - including 50 weeks a year on the road - is not stressful to the elephants because the social groups around them, animal and human, are stable. He said young elephants aren't separated from their mothers until trainers are confident of their maturity.

"The Asian elephant has been semi-domesticated for centuries," said Read, citing its use in warfare, farming and various ceremonies. "Our circus brings them to areas where people don't see such animals very often. That's not something we should deprive our future generations of."

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalrights; animalwhackos; circus; elephants; ringlingbros; workingdogs
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"Our circus brings them to areas where people don't see such animals very often. That's not something we should deprive our future generations of."
1 posted on 06/03/2006 4:01:40 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Ugh. I have never liked the circus. No more elephants. Kids can see them in nature preserves or now video , dvd's. the time is over for this travesty and cruelty!


2 posted on 06/03/2006 4:04:09 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Illegal Aliens....STFU!)
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To: CedarDave

Yes, release them back into the wild where they will be promptly slaughtered.


3 posted on 06/03/2006 4:04:17 PM PDT by kinoxi
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I don't think elephants versus animal rights activists is a fair fight, but it would be fun to watch.


4 posted on 06/03/2006 4:04:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
So you feel its OK for kids to only know these majestic
animals as only a picture, or a scene on a screen?

I have to disagree with you on this one. With all of the
permitting and inspections these animals get, they are
taken care of better than a Lib in NYC.
5 posted on 06/03/2006 4:08:25 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()....no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself...... ()
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To: CedarDave

Messed up my comment -- agree that it would be unfortunate for young and old to be deprived of seeing elephants up close. Heck, when we were children, we were given rides on their backs (don't think that's the case today due to liability issues).

What's crazy about the lawsuit is that RB's use of animals bred and raised in the US is being challenged because of loss of habitat overseas.


6 posted on 06/03/2006 4:08:48 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Need to bring your own see through covering for when one of the greenies gets smashed, and a fully stocked cooler.
:)
7 posted on 06/03/2006 4:09:02 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CedarDave

I'm okay with them keeping the elephants but can they please get rid of the clowns?


8 posted on 06/03/2006 4:09:27 PM PDT by Mercat (He's everywhere you are.)
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.....but can they please get rid of the clowns?

I know, they are scary as heck......8^D

9 posted on 06/03/2006 4:11:27 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()....no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself...... ()
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To: kinoxi

Kind of like a Gallagher show?


10 posted on 06/03/2006 4:12:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Ugh. I have never liked the circus. No more elephants. Kids can see them in nature preserves or now video , dvd's. the time is over for this travesty and cruelty!

Still working on that recovery, eh?

11 posted on 06/03/2006 4:15:08 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: kinoxi
Yes, release them back into the wild where they will be promptly slaughtered.

A couple of additional facts that I did not include in the excerpt:

It would seem they have a better life at the breeding facility than on the Asian subcontinent where competition for land between man and elephants ends up with the elephant as the loser.

12 posted on 06/03/2006 4:15:23 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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I'm okay with them keeping the elephants but can they please get rid of the clowns?

Yeah, we see enough of them in Washington...

13 posted on 06/03/2006 4:16:22 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Yeah, except the actual fruit is replaced with 'virtual fruit' ...the lefties, and the mallet is replaced by a pachyderm's pissed off hoof.
:)
14 posted on 06/03/2006 4:16:32 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: CedarDave
Heck, when we were children, we were given rides on their backs (don't think that's the case today due to liability issues).

About 8 years ago, my daughter and I got a ride on an elephant at a small circus in Florida (she needed daddy to ride with her)

15 posted on 06/03/2006 4:16:48 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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Gawd ... what's next? No clowns?


16 posted on 06/03/2006 4:17:17 PM PDT by sono ("Why can't we deport them? Mexico did." J Leno)
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To: Mercat
...but can they please get rid of the clowns?

As long as the limousine Liberals continue funding them, we'll never get rid of the Humane Society of the United States, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Animal Welfare Institute.

Next up in the "court" barrel. Rodeos!

17 posted on 06/03/2006 4:17:30 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Lynch Mob.)
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To: CedarDave

This is a perfect example of how these activist groups are using the courts to destroy our traditions, restrict our freedoms, and generally turn America into a tepid bowl of mush.


18 posted on 06/03/2006 4:18:36 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: ThreePuttinDude

I can only wonder whether clowns are an ancient tradition of devil worship, seriously - clowns in some cultures represent a portal to the world of the dead. People like to turn what they fear into something to ridicule. I think that it is this human impulse which has created clowns and which makes them so scary... sort of a reverse scary.


19 posted on 06/03/2006 4:18:55 PM PDT by Mercat (He's everywhere you are.)
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To: Mercat

I’m with you on this one. Clowns freak me out man. Never trust someone wearing a painted on smile. Don’t care much for mimes or monkeys either.


20 posted on 06/03/2006 4:22:18 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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