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Coming Soon: The Web Toll (The tiered internet - kiss small sites goodbye)
Popular Science Magazine ^ | June 3, 2006

Posted on 6/4/2006, 5:52:42 AM by slightlyovertaxed

What if the Internet were like cable television, with Web sites grouped like channels into either basic or premium offerings? What if a few big companies decided which sites loaded quickly and which ones slowly, or not at all, on your computer? Welcome to the brave new Web, brought to you by Verizon, Bell South, AT&T and the other telecommunications giants (including PopSci’s parent company, Time Warner) that are now lobbying Congress to block laws that would prevent a two-tiered Internet, with a fast lane for Web sites able to afford it and a slow lane for everyone else.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: internet; neutrality; telecom
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As the front page announces, FR boasts over 200,000 registered users and, thus, over 200,000 in operating costs. Under the proposed two-tiered system, FR would be forced to pay ADDITIONAL costs to avoid bandwith throttling, loss of content, or outright blocking depending on the ISP. Can you imagine your $60/month cable connection loading an image-heavy page like you were using a modem because the provider couldn't afford this extra payment on top of the server fees? Why even pay that much for cable?

Content restrictions should be at the level of the user. You should decide what should and shouldn't load on your computer and not some telecom who thinks its bribe...I mean, toll...isn't big enough. Too much like China for my blood.

1 posted on 6/4/2006, 5:52:44 AM by slightlyovertaxed
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To: slightlyovertaxed

If we don't enforce Net Neutrality Ed Whitacre will kill a kitten. Yes, that's right. It's part of internet tiering.


2 posted on 6/4/2006, 5:56:25 AM by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: slightlyovertaxed
with a fast lane for Web sites able to afford it and a slow lane for everyone else.

ehh, something about this sounds funky... I admit I don't know anything about what they are proposing lets just say that I'm skeptical.

3 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:03:02 AM by Echo Talon
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To: slightlyovertaxed
WEll, it's one of shutting out the voices of the real people.

WE know the big guys have been working on a way to shut down the Bloggers and FR etc - and they will not give up trying - and to get the LameStream Media the only game in town again. It's a matter of survival to them...

There's another election coming up =- they know what we, the people, can do.......cat's out of bags and all...

4 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:03:32 AM by maine-iac7 (Lincoln: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.")
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To: slightlyovertaxed

Thank God for Usenet!


5 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:07:11 AM by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: maine-iac7

Then there should be a massive demonstration in Washington about the time this comes to a vote. And ISP's should take heed of PO'd customers like anyone else who wants to stay in business. Why pay for a phone company that drops your calls? The same for internet.


6 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:07:23 AM by coydog (Cowardice does not make you safe. It makes you a safe target. - - Dale Amon)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson

fyi


7 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:09:06 AM by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: slightlyovertaxed

I'm going to have to say that for now I'm on the side of the businesses that bring us the internet.

Profits drive innovation, and innovation and profit motive drive down prices. And it isn't as if the slow lane is going to be ridiculously slow. It can't be, because competition to carry the most traffic will force upgrades and speed increases.

Since when has conservatism sided with dictating to businesses how businesses should be run. If we have a problem with the way these companies are run, we should buy voting stock. We shouldn't legislate it.


8 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:15:36 AM by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: slightlyovertaxed

I just avoid sites that load slow on my own. (that list grows daily since I am perpetually stuck on dialup). I don't need someone else to tell me which sites load slow and which ones load fast. I've found several of my favorite radio stations that I listened to frequently aren't worth going to anymore. Their audio streams have been enhanced for higher bandwidth connections. It's a never-ending battle and this idea of a "tiered internet" sucks.


9 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:16:57 AM by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Bogey78O
Net neutrality basically would open up the flood gates for competition. Instead of cable companies having complete control of the cable wire, it would open that cable wire to anyone who was capable of pushing data through the wire.

Competition is good for everyone in the long run. Beats the hell out of having to deal with monopolies who want everyone else to play by their rules.

10 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:20:01 AM by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: slightlyovertaxed

The reason a lot of popular sites load more slowly is because of all the ads, pop-ups and gunk they embed in their webpage. If they weren't so intent on loading their pages up with crap, the pages wouldn't be so slow.

ESPN's front page is almost worthless with all the ads, videos, polls, menus, etc they put on there. About 1/3rd of the time, my browser crashes.


11 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:20:23 AM by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

That's not how it works.


12 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:21:17 AM by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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To: Bogey78O

You obviously don't know how protective of their turf cable companies are, especially the cable companies cited in this article. Many of them, TW for instance, own cable channels, and force other competing cable companies or satellite providers to pay top dollar to carry those channels on their systems.


13 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:26:17 AM by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: maine-iac7

There have been threads on FR on this very same issue, claiming that net neutrality is some kind of heavy handed government plot to regulate the internet/shut out conservative websites. IMHO it's part of a strategy by the telecoms to obfuscate the issue, and apparently that strategy has convinced a good many people. They'll find out too late just exactly what it's all about. Under the tiered system, a site like FR most likely would never have gotten off the ground. And IMHO it's a very open question whether sites like this will be able to survive under such a syste.

Congress is addicted to telecom money, and judging from the committee votes, the fix may already be in....meanwhile, a lot of people--including many on this site--who SHOULD be up in arms over this either aren't paying attention or have been hoodwinked by a clever PR campaign. Bottom line, be prepared for radical changes (and not for the better) in how you use the internet if net neutrality is replace by a tiered paradigm. And right now it looks as if it will.


14 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:26:55 AM by kms61
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To: coconutt2000

You have it backward. Under a tiered system, those businesses would have little incentive to innovate. Instead, they'd be able to hinder or block startup competitors in favor of their own crappy offerings. Don't believe the hype.


15 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:32:51 AM by kms61
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To: slightlyovertaxed
Don't think that it couldn't happen. These people are desperate for a way to rip money off the Internet user. Remember when you would've laughed at the thought of "bottled water" for a buck fifty?
16 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:34:20 AM by Dallas59
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To: slightlyovertaxed

sorry, but this sounds like one of those phoney "the government wants to charge you for using email" nonsense storys


17 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:37:47 AM by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Dallas59
Remember when you would've laughed at the thought of "bottled water" for a buck fifty?

uhhh....thats because people will spend a buck 50 for it. If people didnt buy it, it wouldnt be on the store shelves.

18 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:38:46 AM by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Dallas59
Remember when you would've laughed at the thought of "bottled water" for a buck fifty?

uhhh....thats because people will spend a buck 50 for it. If people didnt buy it, it wouldnt be on the store shelves.

19 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:38:53 AM by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: BigSkyFreeper

That's irrelevant. That's still not how net neutrality works.


20 posted on 6/4/2006, 6:50:46 AM by Bogey78O (<thinking of new tagline>)
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