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Defeat This Monstrosity
National Review ^ | 6/3/2006 | John O'Sullivan

Posted on 06/04/2006 4:04:57 AM PDT by NYS_Eric

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One of the better articles I've seen on just what the House needs to do in the coming weeks. National Review has been pretty solid on this issue.
1 posted on 06/04/2006 4:04:58 AM PDT by NYS_Eric
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"coalition has an almost mystical attachment to the Senate’s guest-worker and amnesty provisions.

No other way to explain it.

2 posted on 06/04/2006 4:09:15 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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"Now that the U.S. Senate has made a strong argument"....

Starting off an otherwise decent analysis with the wrong premise.

The U.S. Senate has NOT made a 'strong arguement'. They have stabbed 90% of the nation in the back while making very weak argument based on political posturing rather than on reality and their Constitutional duties.

3 posted on 06/04/2006 4:15:22 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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Starting off an otherwise decent analysis with the wrong premise.

The U.S. Senate has NOT made a 'strong arguement'. They have stabbed 90% of the nation in the back while making very weak argument based on political posturing rather than on reality and their Constitutional duties.

Ditto

4 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:01 AM PDT by PGalt
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Good article!
I propose a theme for all Republicans who vote against the Senate monstrosity and are up for re-election this fall:
YOU CAN THANK (insert candidate's name here) FOR....keeping millions of illegal aliens from swarming into your neighborhood(picture of dozens being marched out of a "safe house" in suburbia), taking over your schools (picture of illegals at San Jose High School in CA putting up the Mexican flag over the US flag), bringing in crime (real headlines of illegals murdering US citizens), exhausting your hospitals (picture of ER closed for lack of funds)and taking jobs from Americans (show the Mohawk Carpet Co. in GA, Tyson meatpacking plants). If you want to fight what's happening to America, vote REPUBLICAN!
I'll guarantee you, that would get attention....and it's all true.


5 posted on 06/04/2006 4:29:02 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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As has been noted elsewhere, the "border protection" agenda should have been presented as two separate bills, one addressing the physical containment of the border between US and Mexico, and a second concerning the status of those who are already here. The first is a matter of restricting the entry points to a few easily watched and controlled localities, and applying the legal mechanisms (patchwork though they may be) to the maintenance of entry in an orderly manner.

The second part, dealing with the undocumented aliens already here, begins by first locating them. One quick way is to look at law enforcement, and find those who have committed some infraction of the law, and are already in police custody. The second is to proceed to reconcile employment records with legal residents and/or citizens, and those who are neither citizens nor here on a valid work permit, are selected out of the employment pool, and given a one-way ticket home.

Of course, there should be expanded efforts to locate and detain those who may have entered legally, but have chosen to become "lost", and clarify their situation. These are the true "loose cannons" in our society.

It does not matter what legislation comes out of Congress anyway. When it becomes inconvenient to enforce the provisions, any law resulting from that legislation shall be ignored as well.


6 posted on 06/04/2006 4:36:17 AM PDT by alloysteel
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Most people that I talk to are against the Senate bill and that includes Democrats, as well. If so many people are for closing the border and not giving amnesty, they can't all be Republicans. Why aren't the Democrats losing support with the base over this? The "base" I hear is against it.
7 posted on 06/04/2006 4:38:16 AM PDT by patj
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To: NYS_Eric

The House should follow this advice.


8 posted on 06/04/2006 4:40:33 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: NYS_Eric

It has certainly been posted before, but can someone once again list the Senators who voted in favor of this destructive bill.


9 posted on 06/04/2006 5:14:48 AM PDT by OrangeBlossomSpecial (DEAN & HERPES : The gifts that keep on giving & giving & giving)
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8. Realize that the White House and its congressional lobbyists are very skilled at prizing allies out of opposition groups and neutering them. For instance, some of the most repellent and idiotic provisions in the comprehensive bill have been put in there for the precise purpose of taking them out again in response to the complaints of the House Republicans. It looks to me that Senator Specter’s last-minute insertion of an amendment to make building a border defense conditional upon consultations with the Mexican government was just such a provision. The calculation is that when such provisions bite the dust, the House can claim to have reformed the bill and made it acceptable. But it will still be an amnesty-and-guest-worker bill, in other words spinach. Say to hell with it.

Bullseye.Since the MSM, purposely, has not expended any effort to explain the details of the Senate bill, they will gleefully champion the removal of the "poison pill" provisions as a "compromise," and pat House Republicans on the back for drinking the Kool-aid.

10 posted on 06/04/2006 5:17:42 AM PDT by browardchad
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They certainly will lose faithful conservative hearts, and votes, if they don't do something.
I've avoided posting about this issue because my outrage would be bad manners at Jim Robinson's table. To put it mildly, I now classify every politician who supports the absorption of illegals into America, in the same category as the "quote Republican" perpetrator of the First Amendment chiller CFR. I can't say freepublicly just what I think of him, either.


11 posted on 06/04/2006 5:19:22 AM PDT by Graymatter
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I've been dismayed in the past when the House seems to fold in the face of White House and Senate pressure.

I believe the passage of CAFTA was like this.


12 posted on 06/04/2006 5:47:18 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration...............................Cut the KRAP (Kare Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: LegendHasIt

What is the difference between George Bush and John McCain? Not a darned thing. They are both East Coast Rockefeller Republican elitists and carpetbaggers who call the West their home.


13 posted on 06/04/2006 5:58:28 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: kittymyrib
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/2006_Senate_Elections
DEMOCRATIC SENATORS:

14 up for re-election

REPUBLICAN SENATORS:

14 up for re-election

OPEN SEATS: 5
Daniel Akaka (HI) George Allen (VA) Democratic (MD)
Jeff Bingaman (NM) Conrad Burns (MT) Democratic (MN)
Robert Byrd (WV) Lincoln Chafee (RI) Democratic (NJ)
Maria Cantwell (WA) Mike DeWine (OH) Republican (TN)
Thomas Carper (DE) John Ensign (NV) Independent (VT)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY) Orrin Hatch (UT)
Kent Conrad (ND) Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)
Dianne Feinstein (CA) Jon Kyl (AZ)
Edward Kennedy (MA) Trent Lott (MS)
Herb Kohl (WI) Richard Lugar (IN)
Joe Lieberman (CT) Rick Santorum (PA)
Ben Nelson (NE) Olympia Snowe (ME)
Bill Nelson (FL) James Talent (MO)
Debbie Stabenow (MI) Craig Thomas (WY)

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Races to watch

It is not yet clear which seats will have the most competitive races. Incumbent senators have a high rate of re-election, even when their party affiliation is at odds with the political trends of their state. The most competitive races tend to be those where the incumbent has retired, and those races in which the incumbent has served only one term are frequently competitive.

Additional special elections that are held due to the death or resignation of Senators in the interim would change the party balances listed above.



14 posted on 06/04/2006 6:06:15 AM PDT by Penny
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To: OrangeBlossomSpecial
I'm in a rush or else I'd do the link in code--but here's one for you to copy and paste:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00157

Regards . . . Penny

15 posted on 06/04/2006 6:12:59 AM PDT by Penny
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This "fine" imposed by the Senate bill is pure bubba bait. The courts will never allow a retroactive punishment. But it allows McCain to do his little shoulder shrug and tell the camera, well, at least we tried.

And why would anyone thing the Executive would enforce this new punishment when they refuse to enforce the ones on the books?

16 posted on 06/04/2006 6:13:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: stopem; NYS_Eric
"coalition has an almost mystical attachment to the Senate’s guest-worker and amnesty provisions.

No other way to explain it.

Unfortunately, there is. It's not a "mystical attachment" at all, it's a "diabolical determination".

17 posted on 06/04/2006 6:26:03 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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"Now that the U.S. Senate has made a strong argument"....

Starting off an otherwise decent analysis with the wrong premise.

The U.S. Senate has NOT made a 'strong argument'.

You guys misread the comment and missed the sarcasm. He said "Now that the U.S. Senate has made a strong argument for unicameral government".

We currently have a "bicameral" legislature, i.e., two branches, the House and the Senate. His crack about going to a unicameral system was just a sarcastic way of stating that the Senate is making a strong case that it has become irrelevant and dangerous and should be abolished. Thus, we would be left with only the House, i.e. a "unicameral" legislature.

18 posted on 06/04/2006 6:36:51 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: alloysteel
The second part, dealing with the undocumented aliens already here, begins by first locating them. One quick way is to look at law enforcement, and find those who have committed some infraction of the law, and are already in police custody. The second is to proceed to reconcile employment records with legal residents and/or citizens, and those who are neither citizens nor here on a valid work permit, are selected out of the employment pool, and given a one-way ticket home.

Generally a good set of ideas. The basic, quiet way to comb the illegals out is to identify them and remove them at every point where they interact with either law enforcement of social services. For example, if they appear at a hospital emergency room, provide them care but also inform ICE and have them deported. Rigorously do the same with things like welfare, drivers' licenses, etc. Such a policy would directly remove a lot of illegals, deter others from coming or staying, and significantly reduce the burden on heavily impacted social services, like hospital emergency rooms.

19 posted on 06/04/2006 6:42:05 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: OrangeBlossomSpecial

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---62
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---36
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Nelson (D-NE)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Not Voting - 2
Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO)


20 posted on 06/04/2006 7:18:57 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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