Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Judge in Dover case still fighting
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 05 June 2006 | Amy Worden

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:53:41 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

John E. Jones III is using the intelligent-design debate to answer his critics and talk about judicial independence.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III could have taken the safe route and retreated to the privacy of the courthouse after issuing his landmark ruling in December against intelligent design. Most judges are loath to go public about their cases at all, let alone respond to their critics.

But Jones - angered by accusations that he had betrayed the conservative cause with his ruling, and disturbed by the growing number of politically motivated attacks on judges in general - came out from his chambers swinging.

"I didn't check my First Amendment rights at the door when I became a judge," Jones said in a recent interview.

While keeping his normal caseload, Jones has embarked on a low-key crusade to educate the public about the importance of judicial independence. He has been flooded with more invitations than he can accept to speak to organizations and schools about issues that arose from the Dover, Pa., case on intelligent design and other emotionally charged cases.

Edward Madeira, a senior partner with Pepper Hamilton L.L.P., which represented Dover plaintiffs, described Jones as the perfect ambassador for a more visible judiciary.

"God bless him," said Madeira, who serves with Jones on a state panel on judicial independence. "He came out of the case with a real concern about the lack of understanding of the role of the judiciary and has become a person who spends time very effectively talking about it."

So far, Jones has delivered his message on at least 10 occasions, speaking to high schools and colleges, mostly in Pennsylvania. In February, he addressed the national conference of the Anti-Defamation League in Florida.

Jones had anticipated he would be targeted by hard-line conservatives after concluding that teaching intelligent design in public schools as an alternative to evolution was unconstitutional.

But he was surprised by how ignorant some of his critics were, in his view, about the Constitution and the separation of powers among the three branches of government.

Jones said he had no agenda regarding intelligent design but, rather, was taking advantage of the worldwide interest in the case to talk about constitutional issues important to him.

"I've found a message that resonates," he said. "It's a bit of a civics lesson, but it's a point that needs to be made: that judges don't act according to bias or political agenda."

One particularly strident commentary piece by conservative columnist Phyllis Schlafly, published a week after the ruling, really set Jones off.

Schlafly wrote that Jones, a career Republican appointed to the federal bench by President Bush in 2002, wouldn't be a judge if not for the "millions of evangelical Christians" who supported Bush in 2000. His ruling, she wrote, "stuck the knife in the backs of those who brought him to the dance in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District."

"The implication was that I should throw one for the home team," Jones said. "There were people who said during trial they could not accept, and did not anticipate, that a Republican judge appointed by a Republican president could do anything other than rule in the favor of the defendants."

Jones, 50, who is based in Williamsport, Pa., was finishing his second year on the court when he was assigned the Dover case.

Looking beyond that trial now, Jones said he was concerned about the growing number of politically motivated threats against judges, including himself, that demonstrate "a lack of respect and a lack of understanding of what we do."

He rattled off a string of incidents that occurred last year: The murder of a Chicago judge's husband and mother by a disgruntled litigant. The oral attacks - led by congressional Republicans - against a Florida judge who ruled that Terri Schiavo could be removed from her feeding tube. Conservative commentator Ann Coulter's suggestion that U.S. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens should be given "rat poison" for voting to uphold Roe v. Wade. (Coulter later added it was only a joke.)

And an e-mail death threat that Jones received shortly after the Dover ruling caused him to seek U.S. Marshal's Service protection for the first time.

"Judges are really unnerved by this," Jones said. "My wife couldn't walk the dog without a marshal walking beside her in the days after case was decided."

He wants to remind audiences, he said, that the judicial branch was not designed to react to public opinion as the executive and legislative branches were.

"If a poll shows a majority of Americans think we should teach creationism in schools, we should just go with the flow?" he asked. "There's this messy thing called the Constitution we have to deal with."

Since his Dover ruling, Jones has returned to the routine on the federal bench. He stayed the execution of a murderer, sent a sex offender to prison to "ratchet down his libido," and is preparing for a white-collar criminal case that is sure to thrust him back into the national spotlight this fall.

Jones is scheduled to preside over what may be the largest tax-fraud case in U.S. history when Adelphia Communications founder John Rigas and his son Timothy - already convicted in a separate fraud case - appear before him to face charges they evaded $300 million in taxes.

ONLINE EXTRA

Read Judge John E. Jones III's speech to the Anti-Defamation League via http://go.philly.com/jones


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agenda; atheistagenda; atheistjudges; biasedjudges; crevolist; dover; judgewithanagenda; keywordspam; nofairtrial
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 281-288 next last
To: PatrickHenry

I agree and support seperation of powers. Thats why I think the juducial branch should not be creating new laws nor ordering the legislative branch to create others.


21 posted on 06/05/2006 5:22:11 PM PDT by driftdiver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
but it isn't true that the system should work that way or that we should openly root for such.

A constant frustration I have here in FR is just that -- "Good Judge" = "Judicial Activism in judgements we like"; "Bad Judge" = "Judicial Activism in judgements we DON'T like."

They Shaivo threads were one example, abortion is another. I am personally against abortion, but to me it is the Fed should stay the heck out of it and let the States decide.

I believe the 10th Amendment is perhaps the most important, yet it loses in every case to any other concept (not even a clash of Amendments).

22 posted on 06/05/2006 5:22:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Charles Hendrickson is FRee!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: PatrickHenry
If you think about it, science is just the study of how Cthulhu did it.

Hmmm. If this thread gets switched to Religion, can I be banned for the above remark ex post facto?

23 posted on 06/05/2006 5:25:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003
A constant frustration I have here in FR is just that -- "Good Judge" = "Judicial Activism in judgements we like"; "Bad Judge" = "Judicial Activism in judgements we DON'T like."

Amen! (I know where THIS thread is going.)

24 posted on 06/05/2006 5:26:32 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Brilliant

"If he really wanted to enforce the Constitution, he'd declare the entire public school system unconstitutional."

Federally you would be correct; on a state level you are wrong. Most states (if not all, I have not checked) have constitutionally required government schools.


25 posted on 06/05/2006 5:28:38 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
Amen! (I know where THIS thread is going.)

Hey, that clearly violates FRs separation of Church and State ;)

26 posted on 06/05/2006 5:29:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Charles Hendrickson is FRee!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: PatrickHenry

Typical liberal judge. He's now surrounded by liberal sycophants. I expect him to issue more disgusting rulings soon. Gotta keep up his popularity at the cocktail parties somehow.

There is no wall separating church and state. There's a limited clause that sets limits on the outer edges of church-state interaction, but nothing more.

Of course, some who support evolution just love this ruling, regardless of its historical correctness. To such people, it doesn't matter how they keep other views away, just so long as they are the only ones who have the ears of the children of this nation.

The proper answer to the question of whether ID teaching violates the "establishment clause" is a simple, "No." The accuracy of the ID theory or any other theory shouldn't matter when it comes to the CONSTITUTIONAL analysis of the situation. It's not unconstitutional to teach that 2+2=5, after all.


27 posted on 06/05/2006 5:30:58 PM PDT by NinoFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: King Prout
how long until this, too, gets smoked or frocked?

ROFL!

28 posted on 06/05/2006 5:34:52 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (...and I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
Hmmm. If this thread gets switched to Religion, can I be banned for the above remark ex post facto?

If this gets switched to Religion, I want someone to explain to me how Noah missed this "kind":


29 posted on 06/05/2006 5:38:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Coyoteman
Not sure how you ride that but it would probably be fun.
30 posted on 06/05/2006 5:41:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: PatrickHenry
". . . judges don't act according to bias or political agenda."

Har har. And neither do scientists. s/

The Constitution prohibits incursions upon the free expression of ideas in any context, whether it be science, public schools, or private academies. It certainly is not favorable toward prohibiting a discussion of intelligent design in connection with organized matter that performs specific functions. This is a judge who, like a politician, decided whom he would like to please and acted accordingly, beginning with himself. This is also a judge who does not have the capacity to distinguish between a theory and it's implications.

31 posted on 06/05/2006 5:42:57 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Coyoteman
Part of me says I want one of those. Then again, I hate it when the cat misses the litter box.
32 posted on 06/05/2006 5:43:26 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SamuraiScot
b) he broke new ground in judicial overreach in presuming to tell the litigants what science is, rather than just ruling on the case and shutting up.

You are neglecting to mention that the defendants in the case specifically requested a ruling to this effect.
33 posted on 06/05/2006 5:44:09 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Fester Chugabrew
It certainly is not favorable toward prohibiting a discussion of intelligent design in connection with organized matter that performs specific functions.

Given that there is no blanket prohibition on such a subject, your statement is a non-sequitur. Moreover, given that you are the only individual who defines "Intelligent Design" as "organized matter performing specific functions", your statement is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
34 posted on 06/05/2006 5:46:50 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Coyoteman

probably due to absurd dietary requirements


35 posted on 06/05/2006 5:49:31 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Dimensio
Moreover, given that you are the only individual who defines "Intelligent Design" as "organized matter performing specific functions"...

I think there's a word for doing it solo.

36 posted on 06/05/2006 5:50:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
"(I know where THIS thread is going.)"

So do I,
and I really, really, regret the absolute tsunami of bile and arrogance that drives it.

If you can't dazzle 'em with (debate) then baffle them with (innuendo).

Oddly enough, I'm perfectly OK with someone disagreeing with me with a degree of respect - but tossing bombs is just SO islamist.

And, no, I neither know nor care what your side of the debate is, I am not directing comment toward your position or your self;
only toward the inevitable unraveling of anything FR is supposed to represent when crevo/evo links appear.
I'll respect either theory you put forth and I'll allow that you might be just as innocent of oiling the burning waters as I hope I am.

(My OPINION is that the Evo side simply cannot address dissent without a slathering of superiority complex mixed with knowledge that neither side can prove themselves "right" in terms of the dominant debate.
Evolution is observable, apparently sometimes reversible, and certainly logical.
It's the God versus convenient 'soup' thing that can't be proved, screws up the voltage, and [as I understand it] was only part of Darwin's contribution to evolution by osmosis from other contemporary and subsequent commentators.)

37 posted on 06/05/2006 5:52:01 PM PDT by norton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: PatrickHenry
"If a poll shows a majority of Americans think we should teach creationism in schools, we should just go with the flow?" he asked. "There's this messy thing called the Constitution we have to deal with."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Should students be exposed to evolution against their will? Should they be forced into an environment that is hostile to their religious beliefs and actively undermines their most cherished family traditions?

If it is unconstitutional to subject students to creationism then it is unconstitutional to FORCE evolution on children believing in creationism.

So what about the Constitution?

1) It is IMPOSSIBLE for any education of the young to be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. IMPOSSIBLE! That should automatically rule out any government involvement in education of the young. No matter what the government chooses regarding curriculum and policies, the government school WILL be establishing, promoting, and upholding the religious beliefs of some while actively, deliberately, and possibly maliciously trashing the religious beliefs of others.

2) All schools MUST restrict free speech, free press, free expression of religion, and free assembly. If they didn't chaos would reign. When government schools FORCE children into their centers and then tell them to shut up, ban their publications, restrict their religious practices, and tell them with whom they may or may not assemble, then government schools are TRASHING our state and federal constitutions.

What are government schools?

They are politically, culturally, and religious NON-neutral. They can and do threaten parents and children with armed police, court, and foster care action if the parents and children do not cooperate with them. Government schools have the power to sell at sheriff's auction the home and/or business of those citizens who refuse to hand over money to pay for the non-neutral government political, cultural, and religious indoctrination of government schools.
38 posted on 06/05/2006 5:53:12 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: js1138

auto enthusiasm?


39 posted on 06/05/2006 5:54:30 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: All
With deep respect for everyone's religious opinions, I ask you to please consider that this thread was not posted in the Religion Forum. It was intended for a discussion of the scientific, political, and legal issues in the lead article. If you want to discuss theology, which is certainly a worthy topic for discussion, then as a courtesy to those who prefer to discuss the secular issues, I urge you to start a new thread in the Religion Forum, which this website provides for that purpose. Thank you.
40 posted on 06/05/2006 5:54:34 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 281-288 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson