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Pictures: GE investigates cuase of AA 767 uncontained failure
Flight Internationa; ^ | 6/06/06 | Guy Norris

Posted on 06/06/2006 9:54:34 PM PDT by UNGN

General Electric is investigating the cause of an apparent uncontained engine failure which caused extensive damage to an American Airlines Boeing 767-200 at Los Angeles on Friday.

The aircraft (N330AA) was undergoing a ground run-up of the (left) No.1 engine when the problem occurred. The CF6-80A was being tested after the crew bringing the aircraft in from the New York reported abnormal power response from the engine during the flight.

Reports say the engine was at more than 90% power when the failure occurred, either in the shaft or the high pressure turbine (HPT) area. Judging by images of the incident that have since appeared on the Internet, it appears that an HPT disc ruptured, puncturing the fuel tank in the wing near the trailing edge, slicing partially through the belly of the aircraft and damaging the keel beam. The No.2 engine was also damaged by the exploding debris and the fuel tank on the right wing punctured.

The wing puncture also caused fuel to be spilled on the tarmac, and that along with a fuel line rupture caused a major fire which engulfed the wing and the rear fuselage before it was put out. Fortunately a Los Angeles airport fire department was close by, and got the fire under control while the the maintenance crew escaped The damage to the wing trailing edge, flaps, aft fuselage, fuel tanks on both sides and the keel beam makes it likely the aircraft will be declared a write-off. The surrounding runways and taxiways were closed off for some time immediately after the incident while a FOD search was carried out. Parts of the second HPT disc were reportedly still missing as of yesterday.

The CF6-80 has been hit by similar issues in the past, and as recently as January 2003 was the subject of a US Federal Aviation Administration airworthiness directive (AD) calling for inspections of the HPT disc. The AD was prompted by an incident on 8 December, 2002, when a 767-200 equipped with GE CF6-80A series engines experienced an uncontained failure of a stage 1 HPT rotor disc during climb. The FAA said at the time the “results of the investigation indicated that the stage 1 HPT rotor disc failure was the result of a crack that initiated in an aft corner edge of the bottom of a dovetail slot. The crack propagated in fatigue to critical crack size, and subsequently resulted in disc rupture and separation.”

The FAA also notes that in September 2000, a U.S. operator experienced a similar uncontained failure of the stage 1 HPT rotor disk during a ground maintenance run of a CF6-80C2 engine. Again it said “the investigation of that failure had indicated that a crack initiated in the dovetail slot bottom aft edge. The root cause of the crack initiation remains unknown. However, cracks, burrs, or damage sustained in the dovetail slot bottom corner radii from improper handling and processing during new part manufacture and/or during maintenance were suspect for the September 2000 event.”

A previous AD, which became effective in June 2001, was also issued to mandate inspections of the CF6-80C2 stage 1 HPT rotor disc dovetail slot bottoms.


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KEYWORDS: 767; americaairlines; americanairlines; boeing; tanker; uncontained
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Yes, the HP turbine disk came out of one engine, WENT THROUGH the aircraft belly and lodged in the outboard side of the other engine. You can see a 1/4 pie piece of the disk sticking out of the turbine case in the bottom picture. That piece came from THE ENGINE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANE! Kinetic Energy, Baby!

Not to sound alarmist, but I'm thinking there are going to be some mass groundings of CF6-80A's in the near future. If I worked for GE, I'd be trying to excavate the masonary from my colon, about now.

1 posted on 06/06/2006 9:54:40 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: UNGN

Yikes! I hate it when that happens.


2 posted on 06/06/2006 9:59:55 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: UNGN
Not to sound alarmist, but I'm thinking there are going to be some mass groundings of CF6-80A's in the near future.

Not likely. Uncontained engine failures, while rare, do happen. Now if it suddenly started happening on multiple aircraft, then grounding might become a possibility.

3 posted on 06/06/2006 9:59:58 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory - but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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To: UNGN

Holy smack, Batman! That is quite the failure of the shaft!


4 posted on 06/06/2006 10:00:47 PM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: Aeronaut

Ping


5 posted on 06/06/2006 10:03:35 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: COEXERJ145

Buy Magnaflux stock ASAP!


6 posted on 06/06/2006 10:06:34 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: COEXERJ145

N330AA in happier times.

7 posted on 06/06/2006 10:08:14 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory - but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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Not likely. Uncontained engine failures, while rare, do happen. Now if it suddenly started happening on multiple aircraft, then grounding might become a possibility.

Un-contained failures don't normally take out BOTH engines and puncture the fuel tanks on BOTH wings AND the Belly tank. If this had happened on take off, there is a good change it would have been a fiery mess.

I'm not counting, but I would think this is the 4th HPT disk failure on this model in the last 6 years.. It's hard to find a root cause on some of the incidents, because the pieces of the disk were never found.

8 posted on 06/06/2006 10:13:19 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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Thank God it happened on the ground during a maintenance check. It could have been messier. If I understand correctly, one engine trashed, damage to the other, a wing on fire, and keel beam damaged the 'landing' would not have been pretty.


9 posted on 06/06/2006 10:15:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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Actually, many uncontained engine failures have thrown debris into the opposite engine as well as caused numerous holes throughout the fuselage.

There was one, a National Airlines DC-10-10, where the #1 engine broke apart and threw shrapnel in every direction, punctured the fuselage, which resulted in one passenger being ejected from the aircraft, and also damaged the #3 engine.

10 posted on 06/06/2006 10:19:44 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory - but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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1. Had that happened in flight, they would have had a large, expensive, perhaps flaming, glider

2. Why not have the containment system set up with a "fail safe" mode, in other words, no containment for about bottom 90 degrees of engine, (45 degrees either side of vertical line) so pieces have somewhere "safe" (down and away from A/C) to go?

3. This is why I like 3-holers.
11 posted on 06/06/2006 10:26:39 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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nearly twenty year old 767-200ER, that is looking like a write-off.


12 posted on 06/06/2006 10:32:22 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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There was one, a National Airlines DC-10-10, where the #1 engine broke apart and threw shrapnel in every direction, punctured the fuselage, which resulted in one passenger being ejected from the aircraft, and also damaged the #3 engine.

Bad example. How many D-10's are left with more than 4 people on board on any given flight? 5? 2?

Two more of these on the ground or one in the air and the GE powered 767 is done. Stick a fork in it.

13 posted on 06/06/2006 10:37:27 PM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: MindBender26

Take a look at the 777's containment system. It's a full wrap of layered Kevlar. No turbine components have ever made it out of that with damaging velocity.

You have to remember, the 767 is a 70's design, and this was one of the older models.


14 posted on 06/06/2006 11:12:57 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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No, it is not a bad example. Just because the DC-10 is mostly out of service today does not make it a bad example. And BTW, that incident occurred in 1973, not recently.

Your statements show that you really need to learn a lot when it comes to aviation. If you think a single engine failure is going to be the end of GE powered aircraft, you're very mistaken.

15 posted on 06/07/2006 12:09:27 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory... but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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Two more of these on the ground or one in the air and the GE powered 767 is done. Stick a fork in it.

Considering the 767-200ER shares engines with the 747-400, could it be possible to cause a chain reaction failure of all four engines on one GE powered 747-400?

16 posted on 06/07/2006 12:24:52 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Doesn't the 747-400 use the -80C version of this engine, which has a different HPF (the troublesome component)? If so, I'd say that it wouldn't be affected by this problem.

It's possible to do so, of course, depending on who's maintaining the aircraft and how careful they are - but that's not GE's or Boeing's fault.

Just checked - the 747-400 uses (among others) the CF6-80C2B5F turbofan engines, with 62,100lb maximum thrust. The -80A series is what's mentioned as giving trouble here.


17 posted on 06/07/2006 12:33:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

HPF/HPT...


18 posted on 06/07/2006 12:34:09 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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The -80A series is what's mentioned as giving trouble here.

This must be an older 767-200ER. The Boeing website lists the GE CF6-80C2B7F as one of two engines available. Airlines that operate both 767's and 747's often use the same engine pool for both aircraft. Supposedly that was one of the considerations for UPS making its big orders of 747-400F last year.

19 posted on 06/07/2006 12:45:58 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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According to airfleets.net, N330AA was/is a 767-223ER with a first flight date of 25 Feb 1987 and a delivery date of 13 Mar 1987.

Background: The parent 767-200 series first flew on 26 Sept 1981, and entered service on 26 Sept 1982. The767-200ER series first flew on 6 Mar 1984.

This airplane is an early-model 767-200ER series with (apparently) the original engine type.


20 posted on 06/07/2006 12:55:08 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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