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It's nearly lights out for PG&E's solar power buybacks (Some want more subsidies for "common good")
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | May 30, 2006 | Aria Pearson

Posted on 06/09/2006 11:24:32 AM PDT by calcowgirl

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1 posted on 06/09/2006 11:24:37 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

you can't have an unlimited subsidy..


But.. But.. But..

It's for the children..


2 posted on 06/09/2006 11:27:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: calcowgirl

California Energy Commission spokeswoman Claudia Chandler is also optimistic about the future of solar power in California.


"I think everybody's very aware of how costly conventional energy is," Chandler said, citing the high natural gas prices right now. "When you look at the options out there, what are the alternatives?"


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Oh Claudia,, sweetie!

It's called
Nuclear ..


3 posted on 06/09/2006 11:28:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; tubebender; forester; Amerigomag; editor-surveyor; ...
The gall of some people:

But Roger Denault, owner of Solar Technologies, ... said the fact that nonsolar users subsidize solar power is not an issue because around 85 percent of people in California approve the use of solar power.

"If that's a real concern, then let some public interest group, some citizen group, raise that argument. Given the public good, our opinion is that they ought not to have a limit at all" ...


4 posted on 06/09/2006 11:29:21 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

SAVE THE SUN!!!


5 posted on 06/09/2006 11:30:56 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: calcowgirl

Just raise the cap and let the utility pay for what it purchases.


6 posted on 06/09/2006 11:31:50 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: calcowgirl

Typical govt welfare program. Too many folks sign up for the freebies so what's the answer? More freebies! Meanwhile, market distortions take place and somewhere down the road when Kali doesn't have a reliable electric grid because real energy companies aren't willing to invest, then have the state interfere, the sheeple will rise up and blame---The energy companies!


7 posted on 06/09/2006 11:32:13 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: calcowgirl

So have the meter run "backwards" at wholesale rate, and "forwards" at retail rate. It's not rocket science.


8 posted on 06/09/2006 11:32:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Seadog Bytes
But according to Adelman... "It came about because PG&E screamed bloody murder, saying the world would come to an end if we allowed net metering," he said.

Adelman and his wife looked into putting solar panels on their home in the mid-1990s but found it too expensive. The net metering law, which passed in 1995, helped photovoltaic systems become practical.

Practical? PRACTICAL? NO, Idiot! It isn't practical or YOU would pay for it. Instead you expect NON-users to subsidize your folly.

Another expert at spending OPM (Other People's Money)

10 posted on 06/09/2006 11:35:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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That is actually a very good point that they cannot buy your power at retail. So change the way you measure the total energy flow and credit the outgoing at wholesale and keep the incoming retail retail the same. Just redesign the flow meter, it can't be that hard.


11 posted on 06/09/2006 11:36:08 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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But if they only credit at the wholesale rate, it no longer becomes cost effective to the user. Hence, they just want more subsidies.


12 posted on 06/09/2006 11:38:50 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

In other words, as long as solar power is paid for by someone else, it's affordable.


13 posted on 06/09/2006 11:39:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Thanks


14 posted on 06/09/2006 11:48:40 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"So have the meter run "backwards" at wholesale rate, and "forwards" at retail rate."

But then it wouldn't be a subsidy (take from that have and give to those that don't) and the enviros would file a suit within 10 minutes!


15 posted on 06/09/2006 11:50:36 AM PDT by dalereed
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I'd tell you what I really think of the "enviros", but the mods would just yank my post ...


16 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:24 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: calcowgirl
The total solar capacity in California is 136 megawatts, enough power for 136,000 homes.

For an idea on presepective, 136 MW represents one mid sized gas turbine that could be set up on a lot no bigger than the average home lot and probably costs less than $30 million installed. If the average home system costs $25,000, the investment for the same amount of solar electricity is over $3 billion.

17 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:36 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: calcowgirl

No it just becomes less cost effective.
Max rebate = payback in 8 years
No rebate = payback in 13 years.
Some rebate = payback somewhere in the middle.
Buy the parts and do it yourself will greatly lower the cost.
Labor is a significant part of the cost and it ain't rocket science.


18 posted on 06/09/2006 11:53:46 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Ditto

Great point. The biggest real advantage to solar is when you are isolated from the grid in your mountian hide-a-way.


19 posted on 06/09/2006 11:56:03 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Ditto
If the average home system costs $25,000, the investment for the same amount of solar electricity is over $3 billion.

$3 Billion sounds familiar:

$2.9 Billion Solar Roofs Program Proposed For California Environment California ^ | December 13, 2005 Posted on 12/13/2005 5:25:39 PM PST by calcowgirl

20 posted on 06/09/2006 11:56:49 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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