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1 posted on 06/09/2006 11:24:37 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

you can't have an unlimited subsidy..


But.. But.. But..

It's for the children..


2 posted on 06/09/2006 11:27:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: calcowgirl

California Energy Commission spokeswoman Claudia Chandler is also optimistic about the future of solar power in California.


"I think everybody's very aware of how costly conventional energy is," Chandler said, citing the high natural gas prices right now. "When you look at the options out there, what are the alternatives?"


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Oh Claudia,, sweetie!

It's called
Nuclear ..


3 posted on 06/09/2006 11:28:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; tubebender; forester; Amerigomag; editor-surveyor; ...
The gall of some people:

But Roger Denault, owner of Solar Technologies, ... said the fact that nonsolar users subsidize solar power is not an issue because around 85 percent of people in California approve the use of solar power.

"If that's a real concern, then let some public interest group, some citizen group, raise that argument. Given the public good, our opinion is that they ought not to have a limit at all" ...


4 posted on 06/09/2006 11:29:21 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

SAVE THE SUN!!!


5 posted on 06/09/2006 11:30:56 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: calcowgirl

Just raise the cap and let the utility pay for what it purchases.


6 posted on 06/09/2006 11:31:50 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: calcowgirl

Typical govt welfare program. Too many folks sign up for the freebies so what's the answer? More freebies! Meanwhile, market distortions take place and somewhere down the road when Kali doesn't have a reliable electric grid because real energy companies aren't willing to invest, then have the state interfere, the sheeple will rise up and blame---The energy companies!


7 posted on 06/09/2006 11:32:13 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: calcowgirl

So have the meter run "backwards" at wholesale rate, and "forwards" at retail rate. It's not rocket science.


8 posted on 06/09/2006 11:32:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Seadog Bytes
But according to Adelman... "It came about because PG&E screamed bloody murder, saying the world would come to an end if we allowed net metering," he said.

Adelman and his wife looked into putting solar panels on their home in the mid-1990s but found it too expensive. The net metering law, which passed in 1995, helped photovoltaic systems become practical.

Practical? PRACTICAL? NO, Idiot! It isn't practical or YOU would pay for it. Instead you expect NON-users to subsidize your folly.

Another expert at spending OPM (Other People's Money)

10 posted on 06/09/2006 11:35:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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That is actually a very good point that they cannot buy your power at retail. So change the way you measure the total energy flow and credit the outgoing at wholesale and keep the incoming retail retail the same. Just redesign the flow meter, it can't be that hard.


11 posted on 06/09/2006 11:36:08 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: calcowgirl

In other words, as long as solar power is paid for by someone else, it's affordable.


13 posted on 06/09/2006 11:39:21 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: calcowgirl
The total solar capacity in California is 136 megawatts, enough power for 136,000 homes.

For an idea on presepective, 136 MW represents one mid sized gas turbine that could be set up on a lot no bigger than the average home lot and probably costs less than $30 million installed. If the average home system costs $25,000, the investment for the same amount of solar electricity is over $3 billion.

17 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:36 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: calcowgirl

This ignores the obvious solution of having PG&E buy larger quantities of power back, but only at wholesale costs rather than retail (i.e., at a lower cost than they charge the same customer when the meter is going the other way). This would closer reflect the true economics, while still giving customers a chance to recoup their costs sooner. Sounds like a win-win to me. Oh, well, I wouldn't expect common sense to prevail.


23 posted on 06/09/2006 12:07:10 PM PDT by MOTR Newbie
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To: Starwolf

Ping!


28 posted on 06/09/2006 12:14:06 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: calcowgirl

Wait.....Something bad happened when the state interved with supply and demand.

Laissez Faire--Come on the french have only came up with one good idea.


35 posted on 06/09/2006 12:56:55 PM PDT by xpertskir
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To: calcowgirl

New York (at least in my region) won't buy electricity. You get back what you put in at cost. If you put in more than you use, too bad. So it's important to size your system proportionately to what you use in a year.


38 posted on 06/09/2006 1:19:21 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: calcowgirl

Who needs a subsidy when you can run your meter backwards? Let the market work, I say! ... :)


39 posted on 06/09/2006 1:22:00 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: calcowgirl
The utility contends the cap is necessary because it can't afford to keep offering a one-to-one swap on energy

This doesn't make sense to me. It's not a 1 to 1 swap, they have a service charge, transport charge, charge for this, that and every other thing.

41 posted on 06/09/2006 1:37:30 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: calcowgirl
The Japanese are really into this, save building any more coal fired plants & saves on imported energy.

As far as retail vs wholesale - the difference is substantial, payback would take many years - and in Kali, who lives in a house that long anyway?
46 posted on 06/09/2006 6:26:18 PM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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To: calcowgirl
Follow the money! $3B is hard to hide without leaving a small trail.

It's not going to any rate payer for at least 8 years, solar or conventional.
It's not going to the utilities.
Whether stick framing or installing solar, the pay is the same. No goldmine there.

So where is the tax payer's money going? Since this transfer of wealth scheme is regulatory, I'd start looking within an arms length of public officials in Sacramento. In fact, since the regulators are in the executive, that's probably the best place to start snooping.

Cash is the mother's milk of politics and $3B is sweet cream, so a good bet is to start with campaign fund raising or friends/partners of the candidate.

48 posted on 06/09/2006 7:13:01 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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