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Congress eliminates aid to Saudi Arabia
JERUSALEM POST ^ | Jun. 9, 2006 | AP

Posted on 06/09/2006 1:05:48 PM PDT by Sabramerican

Congress eliminates aid to Saudi Arabia Associated Press, THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 9, 2006

The House of Representatives voted Friday to forbid US aid to Saudi Arabia, a statement of far more symbolic importance than economic.

The 312-97 vote was to eliminate $420,000 from the $21.3 billion Foreign Operations Appropriations bill. The money has financed $20,000 in military training and education and a $400,000 anti-terrorism program.

President George W. Bush considers Saudi Arabia a vital ally in his campaign against terror, which he began after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. The Bush administration has praised the Saudis for cracking down on terror operations within their borders but has complained about women's rights and other aspects of Saudi domestic policies.

For its part, Saudi Arabia has wanted a more active US role in mediating the Arab-Israeli problem. Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal complained about the Bush administration's decision to shut off direct aid to the elected Hamas-led Palestinian government.

Spokesmen for the Saudi Embassy and the White House did not immediately return telephone requests for comment.

"American taxpayer dollars should not be supporting Saudi hate and terror," Rep. Anthony Weiner, a New York Democrat who sponsored the amendment, said in a statement. "The Saudis have not cooperated with American investigations, they continue to provide financial support to terrorists, and they continue to nurture fanatical Wahhabism."

Wahhabism is the fundamentalist branch of Islam followed by Saudi Muslims. Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida mastermind whose Saudi nationality has been revoked because of his terrorist activities, advocates a particularly austere version of Wahhabism.

In his statement, Weiner said the Saudis have violated assurances that they would stop financing terror organizations that have attacked the United States and Israel.

He said Saudi schools "continue to cultivate hate and intolerance despite claims of a `modernized' education system."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arewecrazy; foreignaid; israel; saudiarabia; terrorwar; usaid; waronterror
Admittedly, it was insignificant, but, we were sending aid to Saudi Arabia? Really? And it's just being ended, maybe, now?

And who are the 97 who voted to continue aid to Saudi Arabia?

1 posted on 06/09/2006 1:05:54 PM PDT by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican

At 72 dollars a barrel they should be sending us aid.


2 posted on 06/09/2006 1:08:47 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: Sabramerican

"Admittedly, it was insignificant, but, we were sending aid to Saudi Arabia? Really?"

90% probability, IMHO, the "aid" was "for" Saudi Arabia but "to" an American corp, eg. Wackenhut. A lot of foreign aid is essentially domestic pork.


3 posted on 06/09/2006 1:11:44 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: tomzz

What an amazing group of leaders we have. To take such a bold and controversial position...zz/s


4 posted on 06/09/2006 1:12:06 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: tomzz

At 72 dollars a barrel they should be sending us aid.
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You are right -- but our great State Department has for a long time, BOUGHT "support" from the Saudis, even though they don't need the money. They have gladly taken every taxpayer dollar stolen for them.

Pandering to the Saudis has been a way of life in Washington, again at the behest of the State Department. IMHO, not one single Islamic country should get a single tax payer dollar. Islam is our enemy, and wasting taxpayer dollars (a profession in Washington) has gotten America nothing really.


5 posted on 06/09/2006 1:13:42 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Sabramerican
President George W. Bush considers Saudi Arabia a vital ally in his campaign against terror

Vital ally or not (and I vote "not"), there's no conceivable reason the US should be sending aid money to Saudi Arabia. The money would be better spent investigating the Muslim schools that the Saudis finance in the US.
6 posted on 06/09/2006 1:35:03 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Sabramerican
This is nice but...why in blazes were we giving any aid to Saudi Arabia, one of the richest countries in the world?
7 posted on 06/09/2006 1:38:21 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Sabramerican

Unbelievable.


8 posted on 06/09/2006 2:07:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Sabramerican

gosh, i hope saudi arabia doesnt become a third world cesspool.


9 posted on 06/09/2006 2:10:10 PM PDT by isom35
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To: isom35

Saudi is a thrid world cesspool, filled with the customary contents of a cesspool.


10 posted on 06/09/2006 2:49:48 PM PDT by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: Sabramerican

That is exactly what I was thinking - What the heck does Saudi Arabia need OUR "aid" for anyway? They can afford anything and everything they may want or need....


11 posted on 06/09/2006 3:01:45 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: Sabramerican
Three words

A F T!!!

As much as I detest Algae, he did have an admirable goal. The elimination of opec oil dependence! Well the lord of the internet didn't quite phrase it that way, but that is about the only decent thing ever suggested by the manberpig killer excelsior!

12 posted on 06/09/2006 3:10:59 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
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To: Sabramerican

I am sure the aid to Saudi Arabia can be traced back to the Clinton years.


13 posted on 06/09/2006 3:13:28 PM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Sabramerican

CNN reports "women and children hardest hit."

al-Jazeera claims "Americans hate Arabs!"


14 posted on 06/09/2006 3:30:38 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: Rummyfan

Why are we spending 21 billion dollars on foreign aid at all when we have a massive national debt that we need to pay off? How do we ever expect to pay off $8,375,109,838,212? Especially the way the current financial system works. From my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong and you are more knowlegable in this area) instead of the government issuing money itself like its supposed to, it asks for loans from the Federal Reserve bank. That means everytime money is issued, the government is not issuing the money, it is really asking the Fed Reserve Bank to loan money to it on interest. When the Fed Govt wants to pay the loan back it asks for another loan to pay the money back (also on interest). (It is kind of like using a credit card to pay a credit card bill). The net result is that we can never pay back the national debt, and the amount we owe in interest keeps increasing because we keep paying for it based on loans.


15 posted on 06/09/2006 3:47:45 PM PDT by old republic
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To: EagleUSA

"Pandering to the Saudis has been a way of life in Washington, again at the behest of the State Department."

Practically every one of these worthless State Department Communists should be fired. McCarthy was talking about Communists in the State Department in the 50s. He was laughed at and spurned by the country. however, as Ann Coulter pointed out in her 2005 book Treason, McCarthy was right. Now, 50 years after McCarthy, it's not so much a question of there being individual Communists in the state Department---the whole State Department is communist.


"IMHO, not one single Islamic country should get a single tax payer dollar. Islam is our enemy, and wasting taxpayer dollars (a profession in Washington) has gotten America nothing really."

I can't go along with this. Taxpayer dollars are a tool of US diplomacy. Even though it's a messy business, we have to cultivate some countries within the Islamic realm. That is too big a swath of territory not to try to gain leverage in. It covers North Africa and the Middle East.


16 posted on 06/09/2006 4:33:32 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: Sabramerican

Now that the House has got the guts to do this, maybe they can refuse money to the UN and send them packing to a more friendly venue. We sure don't need them living off perks from the USA.


17 posted on 06/09/2006 4:41:27 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: strategofr

McCarthy was talking about Communists in the State Department in the 50s. He was laughed at and spurned by the country. however, as Ann Coulter pointed out in her 2005 book Treason, McCarthy was right. Now, 50 years after McCarthy, it's not so much a question of there being individual Communists in the state Department---the whole State Department is communist.
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Yes he was right. Shows how duped and ignorant the public really is. I cannot speak for the whole State Department, but our government is filthy with them -- and you really don't have to go any further than the floor of the Congress. Makes me sick to think our good military in Iraq fighting for "FREEDOM" when we have pinkos in our own government trying to take down our freedom !!!


18 posted on 06/09/2006 5:22:13 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

"Yes he was right. Shows how duped and ignorant the public really is. I cannot speak for the whole State Department, but our government is filthy with them -- and you really don't have to go any further than the floor of the Congress. Makes me sick to think our good military in Iraq fighting for "FREEDOM" when we have pinkos in our own government trying to take down our freedom !!!"

Well, I'll speak frankly with you. Back in the 1960s, the Russians started penetrating the Democratic Party by inventing the New Left, which John Kerry and Hillary Rodham were both members of. Now, 40 years later, the Democratic Party is under the complete control of the Russians. It doesn't matter that the Russians are not communist anymore---the vast majority of people in organizations they control never knew there was a connection to the Russians anyway. I'm not saying the control is complete but the influence is very powerful.

Consider Europe where the situation is more advanced. Schroeder was Chancellor of Germany for how long, more than 10 years right? He goes from that job directly to what---been an executive in Gazprom!!! Do you believe that? No subtlety at all. The guy was a Russian agent, so now he goes to his payoff. I should search the web after posting this, but so far, just reading the usual news sources, I have yet to discover a single person anywhere on the planet who is disturbed about this.

Anyway, so far the Russians (or think about it anyway you like, the Left, it is quite obvious) has taken over the State Department, most of our university system, a very large part of our entire K-12 system (including the teachers unions), the Democratic Party, and the mainstream media.

Their greatest talent is subversion, so where do they go from here? Answer: the Republican Party! Think about it. how many strong barriers are there remaining in the world to the, let us say, loose alliance between the Left and Islamacists? Some resistance in Britain, in Australia, in Poland. India was looking good for a while, then they had an election and things seem to be going sour. The point is all of these groups, while well appreciated, are not strong enough to stand up against the Left in the Islamacists. Essentially, it is the Republican Party and the Christian Fundamentalists in United States who are the last major bulwark of freedom. I'm Jewish myself, so I have no insight into what is going on in Christian fundamentalist churches, but I would be quite surprised if there was no infiltration happening. It is going on in the Republican Party.

Our enemy is now essentially, the KGB, that rules Russia. From an article in the Wall Street Journal, page 1, Wednesday, February 23, 2005:

"Mr. Putin him self served more than 15 years in the KGB and later headed its successor, the FSB [actually, the KGB split onto 2 organizations, the SVR (international, like the CIA) and the FSB (national, like the FBI, if you believe the Russians).] Since taking over the Kremlin in 2000, he has presided over an unprecedented influx of ex-KGB men into the upper echelons of power---men whose formative years were spent learning how to undermine the West's interests.

Prominent among the ex-KGB officials who now pace the Kremlin's corridors are Defense minister Sergei Ivanov, Interior Minister Rahid Nurgaliev, and FSB chief Nikolai Patrushev, as well as the heads of Russia's arms-export, defense-procurement, and drug-enforcement agencies. A close Putin aide and former KGB man, Victor Ivano, serves on the board of flagship airline OAO Aeroflot. A favorite parlor game in Russia is to divine which other senior officials and businessmen have suspicious gaps in their resume that suggest a past with the intelligence services."

The greatest talent of this organization is subversion. I believe the Russian KGB (aided by the GRU) is the most effective subversive force the world has ever seen. This is how they have achieved so much in Europe and this is their primary attack on the United States.


19 posted on 06/09/2006 6:14:50 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: strategofr

Essentially, it is the Republican Party and the Christian Fundamentalists in United States who are the last major bulwark of freedom.
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Great post, and it is difficult to find any obvious fault in it, from any perspective. All that being said, it is scary and sickening to realize how little is left in America that stands for America as the country it was intended to be. I don't think we will ever see another conservative (REAL conservative) President, and worse than that, look at what the Congress has degenerated into. A teaming swamp of anti-Americanism, anti-militarism, socialistic, political attack-dogs that are spending all their time fighting for position in the socialist pecking order, and not at all running and preserving America, as if they cared about it.

And they just march forward, blatantly in front of a voting public that is paralyzed with ignorance, apathy, complacency and just outright stupidity, as if nothing was happening to their country. All one has to do, to become fully educated, is read that latest piece of total crap legislation that the Senate put out on illegal immigration. We are on the brink.


20 posted on 06/09/2006 7:26:21 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
I don't think we will ever see another conservative (REAL conservative) President

Of course we will. It really hasn't been eons since Reagan was in office, and yes, there WILL be another of his virtue to come down the pike. These things come and go like the tides.

(cue Excalibur rising from the lady of the lake..)

21 posted on 06/09/2006 7:30:45 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Sabramerican

80 of the 97 were Republicans: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll244.xml


22 posted on 06/09/2006 7:35:11 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Nations who do not know their national identity will become the prey of other nations - Atatürk)
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To: EagleUSA

"Great post, and it is difficult to find any obvious fault in it, from any perspective."

Thanks very much.

"All that being said, it is scary and sickening to realize how little is left in America that stands for America as the country it was intended to be. I don't think we will ever see another conservative (REAL conservative) President,"

Maybe, maybe not. I believe it is possible that Republicans will start waking up to the fact that the Left is infiltrating the Republican Party. If this happens with a large number of Republicans, I have no doubt we win.

Here's something to keep in mind. The Left has great power of subversion. Conservatives are loath to see subversion, which enhances the Left's power in this regard.

But let's not forget the Left's many and vast weaknesses. If you are like the average freeper, you live in a Red State and do not know the Left intimately. But I was born a Liberal and can see into the Left pretty well.

They are constantly weakening themselves. They are a group of preditors and parasites. You look at this from the outside and see the external threat they pose, but consider this: the main threat they pose (as individuals) is to each other, the main damage they do is to each other and themselves. This damage is a constant process. Just think about it. They proclaim the virtues of drugs, homosexuality, etc. and promote them within themselves and within the mainstream culture which they readily partake in.

On a macro scale, consider the Soviet Union. One of the very largest empires in the history of the world, with much apparent power. We get one real conservative president for two terms---and the whole thing collapses! In addition, the amount of actual fighting we did in this period was quite small. Essentially, the Soviet Union destroyed itself.

Blue states are the same. Did you know that there is a net outflow of population from the northeast? Interestingly, the white population net outflow is going into the Midwest and Far West. The black population outflow is going into the South. (Don't ask me why.)

But the key thing is, the Red States keep getting more population and the blue states keep going down. In addition, I think a very big percentage of those immigrants end up switching their political affiliation. They mainly leave because they can't get a job in a blue state, but can get one in a red state. I suspect the move is often connected with a political shift.

"and worse than that, look at what the Congress has degenerated into. A teaming swamp of anti-Americanism, anti-militarism, socialistic, political attack-dogs that are spending all their time fighting for position in the socialist pecking order, and not at all running and preserving America, as if they cared about it."

Well, I agree the Senate is pretty bad in a lot of ways, but even there, Roberts and Alito were confirmed. Yes, their immigration bill was horrible, but the House passed a pretty good one. I think the result will be "no legislation". This is disappointing, but look at it from a perspective of five or six years. Bush has always been for open borders. This didn't even bother the majority of Republicans in 2000. Immigration is a relatively new issue among the broad ranks of conservative Republicans.

Considering it that way, a lot of progress has been made pretty fast. I would turn your statement around about presidents to an extent, and make this statement: I don't think a person who believes in open borders (as Bush does) will ever be nominated for President by the Republican Party again.

Let me just conclude by saying is very encouraging to me when I occasionally meet someone like yourself on the Free Republic who is aware of the subversion going on in this country. And let me add: it is definitely happening more than it used to.

For awhile, I felt alone giving this message, but now I'm seeing that there are other people who feel the same way. If we can even reach the point of being considered a small minority of the party (as opposed to what we have now, which I would call "a scattering"), I definitely believe we will win. Why? Because the truth we are talking about is so obvious that the only way the other side can win is if practically no one is talking about it.

"And they just march forward, blatantly in front of a voting public that is paralyzed with ignorance, apathy, complacency and just outright stupidity, as if nothing was happening to their country. All one has to do, to become fully educated, is read that latest piece of total crap legislation that the Senate put out on illegal immigration. We are on the brink."

I don't disagree that we are on the brink. However, we may still win. Remember, the majority of Americans fundamentally think the same way we do. All we have to do is wake them up.


23 posted on 06/10/2006 10:03:41 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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