Be patient my friend. She can help you with your analysis my friend.
Posted on 06/09/2006 5:07:23 PM PDT by wagglebee
The Cardinal forgot to add diddling little boys by priest in his charge.
Be patient my friend. She can help you with your analysis my friend.
Melas wrote "Yeah, we should all consult people like yourself before we turn on the TV, rent a DVD, or crack a book. After all, you know what's really best for us. /sarcasm."
Sounds like wagglebee hit the nail on the head.
Would you care for some ice.
Excellent post, and well said!
LOL! I never heard that one, and I thought I'd heard all but the most obscure ones.
Do you want to be on the committe that decides what everyone else can read, listen to or watch as well? This is getting to be a pretty big club with you guys. With all the discussions you must have about what the rest of us are taking in, you guys must stay pretty busy.
Yikes! I'm cured.
You have hit a home run. I grew up in the sixties. seventies and eighties when there was real sex and violence on television. Even into the nineties Gilbert Gottfried showed racy movies late at night. Then Janet Reno and the Clinton's moved in, threatening censorship legislation from their still Democratic Congress. Before long, television became nothing but infomertials for endless hours. Even the old racy, black and white late show movies died away.
Religious leaders have every right to preach and lecture against pornography or the other social sins. But freedom means letting other people read and view what they want. There are extremes that have to be curtailed, but pictures of naked women just aren't that big a deal.
If someone dislikes dirty pictures so much. It isn't hard. Don't look at them.
Very interesting oberservation.
So is politics and literature available. Big deal.
It is also increasingly frustrating for law enforcement officials around the world that sexual predators have begun using the internet to target children.
If there was no porn then predators would somehow NOT use the internet?
Porn or not, the internet reaches everyone.. good and bad and indifferent.
The result lies with the user.
Internet or carvings-on-stone, make of it what YOU will.
Unquestionably true.
Suppose someone invents a fictional problem and runs around trying to convince others to do something about the "crisis".
Further suppose that most people aren't convinced and ignore this person, causing him to conclude that anyone who ignores him is a fool for not believing in the crisis.
His belief in the foolishness of everybody but himself is increased and reinforced every single time he issues his warning and is rebuffed, because no matter what the nature or validity of the skepticism he can always tell himself, "They don't agree with me because they're all just a bunch of fools".
...pictures of naked women just aren't that big a deal.
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Pictures of naked women are no big deal, that is true. But that is not where pornography is today. Porn on the Internet involve much worse -- S&M, child porn, etc.
[Pictures of naked women are no big deal, that is true. But that is not where pornography is today. Porn on the Internet involve much worse -- S&M, child porn, etc.]
THAT is NOT the discussion at hand.
This article clearly condemns pornography which is depictions of normal and typical sexual activity between consenting adults.
To try to inject the idea of violence, coercion and exploitation of minors into this particular debate is intellectually dishonest.
Bears repeating. Of course, the porn defenders insist that the welfare of the family is also a purely private matter. It apparently becomes public only when one of the victims of our collapsing family structure hits them over the head with a tire iron.
Perhaps you would like to make that arguement to Larry Flynt's daughter (Tonya Flynt-Vega).
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MONTGOMERYVILLE - Some church members may have been surprised yesterday to find the daughter of Hustler magazine founder Larry Flynt at their morning service.
They may have been even more surprised that Tonya Flynt-Vega was the featured speaker.
But her words flew in the face of everything her famous father stands for: She has started a foundation dedicated to stopping pornography and child abuse.
"My father says there are no victims of pornography," Flynt-Vega told the congregation of Crossroads Community Church. "I say I'm living proof that there is. . . . Pornography is an addiction. I was addicted to it, my father's addicted to it. It's just like a drug."
Flynt-Vega, 34, has said her father's addiction to pornography led to his sexually abusing her. She formed the Tonya Flynt Foundation under the belief that sexual abuse and rape are directly linked to pornography.
Based in Jacksonville, Fla., the nonprofit foundation will promote education on the subject. It has a Web site (
Flynt, who became even more well-known with the 1996 movie The People vs. Larry Flynt, has denied abusing his daughter.
Church leaders invited Flynt-Vega to speak to start off their new support group for addicts, called OASIS. They said pornography was addictive, just like drugs or alcohol and was becoming more destructive to communities.
"Right up the road is a topless bar. A couple of minutes from the bar is an adult bookstore. It's right here," said Dan LaValla, a church leader who invited Flynt-Vega to the church after hearing her on a radio show. A therapist, he said he regularly sees marriages threatened because one spouse is getting hooked on pornography.
"With the explosion of the Internet, it's becoming more of an issue," he said. "It's in corporate America, it's in communities. I think she'll have some tips on how we can deal with it in our own community."
One goal of the new foundation is to prove a link between child abuse and pornography. Flynt-Vega cited research by Mary Anne Layden of the University of Pennsylvania that links sexual crimes and pornography.
"For 15 years, I didn't have one case of sexual violence that didn't involve pornography," Layden told church members. "The images are implanted in the brain permanently. It's a distorted set of beliefs that miseducates people."
Flynt-Vega told the responsive congregation of more than 100 people that she is living proof.
Growing up as the daughter of a poor cocktail waitress and a millionaire, most of the year her bedroom was her mother's walk-in closet, she said. But a few times a year, she would be whisked into the world of her father, where private jets and naked women were the norm.
"He saw me infrequently. He seduced me, manipulated me and molested me. He taught me that was love," Flynt said. "I can't tell you the damage that these experiences did to my body, to my sexuality."
Later, she said, she turned to drugs and became promiscuous before finding faith in God. She now uses her famous name to denounce her father's actions and lifestyle.
"You know what's happening to us?" she said. "We're becoming desensitized as a society, as a community. People's values are twisted.
"I like to tell people that pornography is not about free speech. I'm using my First Amendment right to speak out against pornography. We have to stand up as communities and say we're not going to tolerate it."
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