Posted on 06/09/2006 11:57:08 PM PDT by Plutarch
President Bush has set out his goals on immigration reform to the American people. "There is," he said, "a rational middle ground between granting an automatic path to citizenship for every illegal immigrant, and a program of mass deportation." I agree that a rational middle ground can be found -- but amnesty is not the middle ground.
Instead, I will soon be introducing legislation, the Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act. ...It will include a guest worker program -- but it will not include an amnesty...I believe this legislation is a strong alternative to the amnesty plan passed by the Senate; and I hope that it will serve as an attractive alternative to my colleagues in the House of Representatives....
Instead, it insists that they leave and come back legally if they have a job opportunity in the U.S. They will be allowed to do so under the terms of a guest-worker program...
...the federal government [will] match guest workers with jobs...[and] would be provided with a visa issued by the State Department.
There will initially be no cap on the number of visas that can be issued; for the first three years...
They would be allowed to renew their visas, but only for a period of up to six years...
After six years, a guest worker must decide whether to return home or seek citizenship, but...There is no path to citizenship in my bill.
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
ping for future.
How is the federal government going to administer ANY new laws, considering the ineptness of administering present laws?
Employers ARE in compliance with present law, if they have copies of two forms of identification that indicate the employee has a legal right to be in the country to work.
So their files are packed with fraudulent documents, which the employer KNOWS is the case.
The illegal immigrant employees KNOW they are at LITTLE RISK of discovery, for there is virtually no internal enforcement.
The border may get tighter, but eventually most can get across, get jobs, and live as they do.
So if it is Pence's version or any other, it MUST address ALL aspects of the out-of-control status quo.
I am not optimistic.
Did Mike Pence learn anything from the election of Congressman Bilbray?
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No work, visas, permits, etc. for any illegal ever!
Start crucifying anyone that employees an illegal or pays a cash wage to anyone and that includes homeowners.
Start throwing business owners and homeowners in prison and publicize it and the practice will stop.
Pence can keep his Tijuana bus-trip amnesty. Americans want border control first and now, not a massive Amnesty for tens of millions of illegal aliens, with vague nonsense about enforceing laws six years from now.
How about "overnite."
End of problemo!!
Illegals have had too many years here already on taxpayers dime, stop all welfare benefits immediately,get serious about fining their employers,no new hires, enforce all current laws and first and foremost secure the borders. Any homes they purchased with false documents should be seized.
Repeal 14th amendment.
The decision on immigration is too important to leave to the politicians who have enormous pressures on them.
The decision belongs to the people.
The people MUST vote on this.
IMO Bush should halt all immigration and all citizenship, and call for a nation wide vote.
An issue this important should not be demagogued by politicians for political advantage.
Watch your back Mike Pence, the uber conservative brownshirts have their long knives ready to stab you.
Yes you are right, in a self-governing society the legislative authority is reserved to the people and the people have already decided this issue. The American people's decision against illegal immigration has been enshrined in democratically enacted laws for decades. It is the ruling political elites who have deliberately ignored and overruled the people's decision by refusing to enforce these laws.
"We the people" have allowed the elites to get away with ignoring our will on illegal immigration until 9-11 made the disastrous consequences of an open borders policy all too apparant. In my opinion, we don't need another vote -- we need to insist that our elected representatives, including most importantly our President, live up to their duty and their oaths of office and enforce our laws. It is well past time for a major electoral crackdown by the American people against an out of control political class that has rejected the central achievement of the American revolution -- self-government. Anything less and we acquiesce in the outright destruction of our republican form of government.
Bottom line: illegals get legalized, and third-world migration increases - a lot.
Per longstanding debate rules, with your juvenile Nazi reference, you lose the debate.
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Pence's plan IS amnesty. Here's why:
The legal punishment for being is this country illegally is deportation. Deportation carries with it a permanent bar from legally entering the country.
Therefore, by allowing these illegal aliens to return, and to return almost immediately, Pence's bill provides amnesty - the current penalty for this group of people is forgiven by law, which is the definition of amnesty.
No amnesty. Secure the borders first. After the borders are secure, then we can talk about the rest of it. But not until the borders are secure.
Uh the juvenile ones are the people who are backstabbing Mike Pence. Oh BTW, read up on your history, "the night of long knives" was hitler's purge of the nazi party and IMO, the vitriol against Mike Pence by some is akin to that.
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