Posted on 06/14/2006 4:52:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker
"The immigrants believe anything they tell them because they are Mexican, we can't get the message out to the immigrants, first because of the language barrier, second they wouldn't believe us if they could understand us."
Of course, they get the mexicans to not even listen to us because they tell them that all Republicans are racists and hate mexicans, etc. and they intimidate the heck out of minority Republicans who tell the truth convincingly.
This is why blacks like Clarence Thomas and folks like Migeul Estrada were vilified more than even white-male nominees.
The Dems are helped in this smear campaign by that small fraction of right-wing kooks who actually are xenophobic racists.
So your Church does not defend human life? What kind of God do you worship, who cares nothing for human life?
And if your God cares for human life, how is that shown? Do His People just hope for the best, or do they work, in the political arena, to defend human life, at every stage?
Same here. I have cut off all donations to anything Catholic.
Thomas Nast was a famous caricaturist and editorial cartoonist in the 19th century and is considered to be the father of American political cartooning.
I think that if more people aware of what the Church is doing(especially using the offering money for illegal aliens) there would be more and more people not giving offerings at Mass.
I have found few people here that support open borders. Open Borders many that anyone can come across at will and it doesnt matter. Most people that are against illegal immigration(in truth we are all) are not racist. However there are some that do have racist motives. Thats just life
I find that those that support the Presidents view are also very concerned about getting control of the sitution at the border. There are very few true LIbertarian open border folks at FR that I have seen
You're a Catholic?
Do you know that belonging to a Masonic lodge is forbidden? If you have not obtained permission from your bishop to belong to the Masons, you are in material sin.
How can you accuse the bishops of doing something wrong when you are wrong in belonging to the Masons?
Let us be clear: This is not "Church Teaching",
This is liberal political advocacy that happens to be supported and promulgated by the bishops' political organization in DC.
This position is as wrong-headed and ill-advised as their 1980s foray into opposed Reagan's wise and correct defense policies:
http://www.cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt2.html
"Bishops, obviously not satisfied to merely lead their flocks, have also claimed expertise on American weaponry. Some of the Catholic bishops involved in the 1983 pastoral letter on nuclear arms and defense told a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting in 1984 that they did not approve of the MX missile or the Strategic Defense Initiative. They maintained that the MX would not provide protection and the Strategic Defense Initiative would not work. Since trained scientists are still debating the merits of the Strategic Defense Initiative, it is strange that the bishops seem to have informed knowledge on this highly technical subject."
" They later wrote a poor imitation of the Catholic bishops' 1983 pastoral letter about defense, titled "The Nuclear Crisis and the Pursuit of Peace." In it the bishops, like the Catholic bishops, opposed not only the use of nuclear weapons, but also said even "nuclear deterrence" could not "receive the churches' blessing." The bishops did not even attempt to justify their positions with thoughtful, in-depth studies of theology, but largely depended on waving the concept of "shalom" - which they misinterpreted as "harmony between humanity and all of God's creatures" on this earth - and using half-pietistic, half-trendy rhetoric. "But we write also in gratitude for the swelling chorus of those who cry No to nuclear weapons, No to poverty, No to racism, No to sexism - and Yes to the things that make for peace," the letter said. The study document also used the concept of "shalom."
Both the letter and the study document which accompanied it assumed a moral equivalency between the United States and the Soviet Union. They suggested that the nuclear arms race is a disease which afflicts both countries. In doing so they totally ignored the differences in American and Soviet political systems, in effect putting totalitarianism and democracy, and American and Soviet foreign policy, on the same moral level."
Phooey to their wrong and liberal policies on relations with USSR, and phoeey to their wrong and liberal policies on immigration.
There's one thing I know--The Church has never definitively declared anyone to be in Hell, although She has Canonized many souls as for sure being in Heaven.
There's only one Heaven, and even St. Paul said that "eye has not seen and ear has not heard what the Lord has prepared for those who love him". The Church puts NO LIMITS on the Mercy of God. But if man is searching for The Fullness of Truth, he will find it in Christ's Church.
Good grief your a Catholic and a Mason. For all the talk of about upholding laws your in violation of Church law itself. I am serious on this question and not trying to be mean or flaming here. I see your trying to to get Catholic to quit giving to Holy Mother Church. I also see that you don't think the Church should be involved in politics either. My question is did you have this attitude before or after you joined the Lodge.
MEGA bump
No. I'm hitting close to home. Shall I post the motu proprio from the Vatican stating that the ban on Catholic participation in Masonic Lodges is still valid?
You are proud of your Masonic membership, since it's on your home page.
No wonder you want the bishops to butt out. You're caught dead to rights violating a prescription of the Church.
Someone should inform Brownback that illegals DO have an opportunity. It's called, return to your country of origin, and get in line.
I know the ban.
I am proud of my Masonic membership
Its not my fault the bishops in the Church have this Marxist tendency.
Bump.
No wonder you dislike the stance of the bishops on immigration, and abortion, and everything else.
I am afraid your wrong. I am not saying everything the American Bishops say is infalliable but this document s pretty much right on with the teaching of the Church Universal. If you noticed John Paul II is mentioned also. Furthermore this is pretty align with statements from Rome itself on the migration of human beings. Also its pretty much aligned with the Catechism as to the responsibilities Governments, on the family, on the dignity of human person, on borders, and on immigrants
THe Bishops are not saying that there should be open borders or that America should give up its sovernity. It is speaking up for millions of American children though that might be seperated from their parents or thrust into poverty. At least someone is speaking up for those forgotten Americans in this debate
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