Skip to comments.The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops policy paper on its support of illegal immigration
Posted on 06/14/2006 4:52:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker
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The church is not Marxist. What in the above statement even comes close to communism or marxism.
"The Church is not saying that there should be consequences. "
Here's a consequence. If you dont belong here, go back home.
"Also the Church is not saying this in order to fill the pews up."
I didnt say that (Although others have, and I dont think its way off base to see this as a form of pandering.)
" You speak of RCIA. Well the proposals that people are calling Amnesty amount to whats basically a 12 year RCIA class but one to become an American citizen."
Wrong. It's more like a Muslim taking communion for a few years and then deciding "You know what, he's been at it so long, what's the harm in letting him keep doing it."
You know that is completely beyond what the catholic church would tolerate. They are hypocritically demanding the USA dispense with rules, when they themselves wouldnt dream of doing so.
"Furthermore, the above is consisent with Teachings of our most conservative and orthodox of Popes and Catholic Teachers."
It would also be FULLY consistent with Catholic catechism to simply say that the law should be obeyed, and that any changes to immigration law be made via due process, not via subterfuge of amnesty.
"It can not just be dismissed as in the same category as liberation Theology."
Why the heck not? The same liberal Jesuit types pushing liberation theology have been the biggest cheerleaders on this. These are highly connected to marxist and globalist viewpoints where our border need to be erased and our economy needs to be brought tothe level of the third world.
"The Church here is concerned about primarly the Dignity of the human person and the unity of the family. "
Well, then, they ought to advocate for strict border enforcement so we dont get any more such potential problems like these created by illegal immigration. Let them proposed that the whole family stay together as they move back to the country in question. Let them advocate for an end to anchor babies, so fewer 'magnets' exist to create these problems, etc.
"One wonders what POland would have looked liked if the Church had not got involved in politics there. THe Church has a duty and obligation too be involved in issues like this."
They have a greater obligation to be on the right side instead of the wrong side of this issue. What they advocate does real harm to the rule of law, to our country's social fabric, and our economy.
John PAul II came down hard on those priest that did that. Certain misfits that were misguided mainly from the Jesuit order does not make the entire Church Marxist
There's only one Heaven,
And who gets in it? Any religion, all religions, all good people regardless of religion? Who gains entry?
Archbiship Oscar Romero-
Celebrated by the leftists in El Salvador
wow! you disagree with what you see as the pre-Vatican II stance on salvation, and yet you scoff at the clarified view of the Church which came out of the Council.
That's right. The pre-Vatican II stance is only Catholics go to heaven. Can't agree with that. The post-Vatican II stance is non-Catholic Christians can get to heaven, but only because they are ignorants who don't "realize" the true faith of Catholicism, but are incorporated into it anyhow, based on their lack of knowledge of the true faith. Incredibly condescending, and making Catholics out of millions who really aren't.
If the State through its actions tears up millions of Familiies then the State is wrong especially if there is other alternatives.
The Church is not saying that there should not be consequence. THe Church is not saying that the State can not act to curb illegl immigration. THe Church does not condone illegal immigration however it does not condone a greater evil be enacted to combat a lesser wrong. That in itself is sinful. THe deportation and Starvation of 12 million people all without exception would be wrong. The fact that so many family units would be broken up without exceptions is a much greater evil that a illegal border crossing that occured in some cases 20 or more years before. That is what the Church is trying to say. That some current proposals that are being mentioned to correct a wrong are in fact a much greater wrong and cannot be condoned
The Church is not supporting illegal immigrants, except where they need the basics to live.
Anyway, most Catholics know that some money goes to illegal immigrants and don't object.
Your money goes to an organization that stands in direct opposition to the Church.
"I am not saying everything the American Bishops say is infalliable but this document s pretty much right on with the teaching of the Church Universal. If you noticed John Paul II is mentioned also."
they used flowery language when they decried Reagan's arms policies too. BFD.
But, puleeze, this is not an encyclical. This was *NOT* written by the Pope, or all bishops, or even one bishop. It was written by a *staffer* at their staffed-by-liberals DC HQ. "By Walter Ewing"
Yes, it did have great quote, like this well-known Catholic Saint and philosopher ...
"As Representative Howard Berman (D-26th/CA), member of the House Immigration Subcommittee, noted in an interview in early October 2001, "an orderly program of earned adjustment, based on work history and continuity of work, that involves stages of getting full status, lets us know who is here. When they go through a process of adjudication, they come out of the shadows." (23)"
Okay, so he's not catholic, he's no saint, and this is standard political fare. But he said something Walter Ewing liked, so he gets quoted.
Next time they should use a *Catholic* quote. Maybe a Tancredo, right?
Archbishop Oscar Romero's cause for canonization has been opened by the Vatican.
Anyone who seeks God with a sincere heart.
"Anyone who seeks God with a sincere heart."
What about those that believe in God but not in Jesus Christ?
Some things in the name of social justice has been abused of course. However that does not mean that the concept of Social Justice is that a reality that is grounded in the reality of Christ
The USCCB is making themselves look foolish with this foray into an arena that they are clearly incompetent on which to comment. I wish they'd spend a little more time and press releases on battling for issues of faith and morals.
It is not the state's actions that are to blame for "tearing up millions of families" (which, IMO, is an overstatement); it is the actions of the illegals. Had they obeyed the law, they wouldn't be faced with the consequences.
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