Posted on 06/15/2006 1:51:26 PM PDT by freepatriot32
OK, so she did drown the child by leaving it in the toilet.
I also forget that other states still have parole, we don't in Virginia so when we send you up, you are up. Story says she can get out in 2019, which is 13 years, only 3 more than what I said she should do,
so I think I'm OK with it now.
From article linked here:
http://www.13wmaz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=26997&provider=top
"Shorter delivered a baby girl in the handicapped stall of a Wal-Mart bathroom last year. Wal-Mart employees removed the baby from the toilet, and a nurse who was there shopping at the time performed CPR. But the newborn never fully recovered and died five days later."
Baby was left in the toilet.
That would be premeditation.
Disregard my post, you found the info.
Boy, GOOD point! I hadn't even thought of that! Doesn't make sense at all, does it???
How can someone leave a baby in a toilet. I can't begin to comprehend............
Yes, that fact left me considerably less concerned for the woman.
Also the fact that her boyfriend kept asking her if she was pregnant, so her "I never thought of it" defense seems week.
Yeah, gotta love Ohio.
Yeah. And apparently what she never thought was that she'd get caught.
I still think life is excessive.
And it doesn't change my sense that many calling for life and harsh punishment are doing so because deep inside they desire to be cruel to another. They just want to do it all legal like.
???
Giving birth and dumping the baby into the toilet isn't cruel, unusual, premeditated, and deserving of severe punishment?
See Charles post 21. She'll get maybe 13 years for drowning a helpless baby. And as Charles pointed out in post 27, one of the articles mentioned that her BF kept asking if she was pregnant. I believe, on the little info we have, that she knew and killed the baby. Being a woman, I know there ARE symptoms of pregnancy that are hard to ignore.
Premeditation means thinking things through a bit.
You really think she planned to go into labor that day in a Walmart bathroom just to drown her new born? You really think she planned that?
http://www.mobile-da.org/secretsafeplacefornewborns/
More cities should have a program like this, because it was designed to prevent tragedies just like this.
You don't DUMP a baby into the toilet and LEAVE without thinking that much through.
Do you REALLY think she didn't know she was pregnant? What did she think was wriggling in the toilet?!
Premeditation doesn't have to means hours of planning or thinking over. The time it would take to have the baby, put in in toilet, and walk out of the bathroom can be long enough to think about what to do. We also don't know from the article the other details- did she clean herself up before leaving the bathroom, for instance.
The article out of our local paper:
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/14820476.htm
states:
Shorter cleaned up the stall and covered the baby with paper seat covers before leaving the rest room, Hull said. Shorter told investigators she brought a plastic bag to put the baby in, but had difficulty doing so, she said. That, Hull argued, showed intent to kill and a desire beforehand to dispose of the baby.
my main question is, how did she cut the cord? she mightve had something in her purse, but if she had scissors or a knife with her, that might be a hint that she did in fact know she was pregnant. you cant exactly tear an umbilical cord with your hands, as far as i know.
She'd have to stay in the stall long enough for the afterbirth anyway.
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