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We're From the U.N. and We Want Your Guns
TownHall ^ | 06.16.2006 | Mary Katharine Ham

Posted on 06/16/2006 4:22:44 AM PDT by jodiluvshoes

The U.N. will gather in New York City this July for the 2006 Small Arms Review Conference. Doesn’t the name alone make you nervous? The U.N. is “reviewing” guns. If you don’t own one, doesn’t it make you want to go out and buy one just so you can be ready for whatever Kofi’s got planned?

Wayne LaPierre is plenty nervous, which is why he’s written, “The Global War on Your Guns: Inside the U.N.’s Plan to Destroy the Bill of Rights.” Sound alarmist?

His critics think so, claiming that the aim of the conference and its supporters is only to deal with the “illicit” sale of small arms, so it would have no effect on any legally traded arms. But check out the U.N.’s own explanation and see what you think (emphasis mine):

By unanimously adopting the UN Programme of Action to address the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons (UNPoA), in 2001, the UN Member States committed to collecting and destroying illegal weapons, adopting and/or improving national legislations that would help criminalize the illicit trade in small arms, regulating the activities of brokers, setting strict import and export controls, taking action against violators of such laws, and better coordinating international efforts to that end.

Sounds like there’s some wiggle room in there to me. I got to talk to LaPierre, executive vice president and chief executive officer of the National Rifle Association, about his new book and the new fight facing gun owners.

LaPierre has been charting the U.N. gun-ban movement since the mid-1990s, when all of the nuclear freeze non-governmental organizations (NGOs) morphed into gun-ban groups and “hijacked the disarmament machinery of the United Nations,” he said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gungrabbers; lapierre; nra; unitednations
By unanimously adopting the UN Programme of Action to address the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons (UNPoA), in 2001, the UN Member States committed to collecting and destroying illegal weapons, adopting and/or improving national legislations that would help criminalize the illicit trade in small arms, regulating the activities of brokers, setting strict import and export controls, taking action against violators of such laws, and better coordinating international efforts to that end.

That excludes the likes of Iraq, Syria, Iran, etc right? I mean take the guns away from the people but let the whack jobs keep the nukes right?

< /sarcasm >

1 posted on 06/16/2006 4:22:48 AM PDT by jodiluvshoes
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To: All

Also ON THE NET...


http://www.un.org/events/smallarms2006/

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=June&x=20060609171603sjhtrop0.2761042&t=xarchives/xarchitem.html

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50671

"NRA warns of U.N. gun control
U.S. participating in upcoming small-arms conference"
Posted: June 16, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


ARTICLE SNIPPET: "An American delegation will participate in a controversial United Nations small-arms conference criticized by Second Amendment advocates as a threat to U.S. gun ownership.

The U.N. Small Arms Review Conference will meet in New York City June 26 to July 7 to discuss illegal trafficking in arms, "ineffective national controls" and related issues.

The U.N.'s disarmament effort features a program in which it buys back weapons in nations torn by civil strife. But National Rifle Association Vice President Wayne LaPierre insists the U.N. is concerned about more than illicit arms in African hot spots. He says the global body wants the firearms of American citizens – and much more.

"So, after we are disarmed, the U.N. wants us demobilized and reintegrated," says the NRA's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, according to the Economist magazine. "I can hear it now: 'Step right this way for your reprogramming, sir. Once we confiscate your guns, we can demobilize your aggressive instincts and reintegrate you into civil society.' No thanks.""


2 posted on 06/16/2006 4:25:05 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: jodiluvshoes
The dis-arming of American's has to happen before America can be included in the New World Order.

I go on record as resisting this.

3 posted on 06/16/2006 4:27:00 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (No guns, No freedom. Any questions)
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To: jodiluvshoes

Why we must never give up our guns to this POS organization

4 posted on 06/16/2006 4:33:21 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: jodiluvshoes

The NRA should do a "recruit a buddy" campaign for this July 4th, see if it can swell its membership some.


5 posted on 06/16/2006 4:38:47 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: xrp

So we should expect another appeal for funds from the National Reasonable-regulation Ass? To accomplish what, another reasonable infringement?

See heep://www.nrawol.com links to http://www.keepandbeararms.com archive of NRA loving-gun control abuses that are as evil as Sarah Brady's and less honest. NRA lifer recta may osculate my fundament. Tagline...


6 posted on 06/16/2006 4:43:29 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: jodiluvshoes

Doesn't the U.N. have something else better to do with it's time?

They are about as useful as boobs on a bull!

Take the U.N. by eminent domian and convert it into condo's.


7 posted on 06/16/2006 4:52:11 AM PDT by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: jodiluvshoes

The DUMmies don't seem to realize that getting the NRA more involved only hurts their party. Bottom line is that the NRA is more popular than any democratic candidate we've had for the last two elections. Just watching Al Gore back away from gun control due to the union rank and file's distaste for his gun-control beliefs should teach them to stay away from this subject. Oh, yeah, I forget that DUMmies never learn.


8 posted on 06/16/2006 4:58:30 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Still, without the efforts of the NRA you would already be a felon. I will continue to support them.


9 posted on 06/16/2006 5:07:09 AM PDT by Sender ("Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-b*tches we're going up against. By God, I do".)
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To: jodiluvshoes
His critics think so, claiming that the aim of the conference and its supporters is only to deal with the “illicit” sale of small arms

The UN wants to make all private ownership and possession of firearms illegal. Therefore any sale or trade of firearms to or by any private party would be "illicit" and punishable by the UN. The US has to make it clear to the UN gun grabbers that we will not agree to or tolerate any such negation of our Constitutional rights by any outside organization.

This is just one more excellent reason why the US has no business being part of the UN. The socio-political philosophy and agenda of the vast majority of UN nations is diametrically opposed to that of the US. I want the US out of the UN and the UN and it's arrogant, corrupt, lawbreaking agents of 2-bit totalitarian regimes out of the US.

10 posted on 06/16/2006 5:23:32 AM PDT by epow (The way of the cross leads home.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Troll Alert


11 posted on 06/16/2006 5:23:57 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: jodiluvshoes
Memo to: Coffee Anus and all U.N. Gun Grabbers

And I'm 'series'.

12 posted on 06/16/2006 5:26:50 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Shooter 2.5; dhuffman@awod.com

Troll? Hardly. That poster is a lot more protective of A2 than the NRA who he is criticizing.


13 posted on 06/16/2006 5:33:26 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Condor51
I second that.


(It's a "hugh" issue for me)
14 posted on 06/16/2006 5:39:49 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: onevoter
"The DUMmies don't seem to realize that getting the NRA more involved only hurts their party."

You are correct about the heartland Red States. However on the coasts, Americans think that More Gun Control is good and the NRA is bad. As a Hunter and hand gun owner in New Jersey, I can tell you that it is only a matter of time before I will be telling my Grandchildren about the old days when you used to be able to hunt in this state. The NRA has no political support amongst the elected officials in New Jersey on any level. In SanFrancisco, 60% voted to make it illegal to own a handgun. Were it not for the NRA law suit, this situation would have stood. There definitely is a red/blue state confrontation concerning the ownership of Firearms. The mayor of New Your wants to get all of the liberal big city mayors to work with him towards adopting more and more Gun Control. The UN is feeding off of the Gun Control frenzy in this country and elsewhere. I am waiting to retire and move to a place where all 10 of the Bill of Rights are recognized. people like myself used to be in the main stream of American political thought. Now I am a pro "lets put a gun in the hands of everyone" extremist. Many of the Blue State political types, such as Senator Schumer of New York, have committed demagoguery with respect to this issue worst than Joe McCarty used Communism (a real threat by the way) to further his career.
15 posted on 06/16/2006 5:50:48 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
I am waiting to retire and move to a place where all 10 of the Bill of Rights are recognized. people like myself used to be in the main stream of American political thought. Now I am a pro "lets put a gun in the hands of everyone" extremist.

C'mon to Texas, here in my town we search everyone coming in to see if they have a weapon, those that don't are issued one.

16 posted on 06/16/2006 6:05:27 AM PDT by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: jodiluvshoes

The "guns debate" is the Key to the continuing success of this nation. The minute the second amendment is repealed, the left wing of this country will go into action to turn America into a police state.

The UN must be thrown out of this country immediately.


17 posted on 06/16/2006 6:14:27 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: epow
The UN wants to make all private ownership and possession of firearms illegal. Therefore any sale or trade of firearms to or by any private party would be "illicit" and punishable by the UN.The US has to make it clear to the UN gun grabbers that we will not agree to or tolerate any such negation of our Constitutional rights by any outside organization.

They're not violating you Second Amendment rights, they're just "regulating commerce". The New Deal writ large.

18 posted on 06/16/2006 6:23:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
"C'mon to Texas, here in my town we search everyone coming in to see if they have a weapon, those that don't are issued one."

I have been shooting since I was a least five years old. Texas will give'm hell if they try to take our guns.
19 posted on 06/16/2006 6:25:25 AM PDT by highway 90 west (God bless Texas)
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To: jodiluvshoes

I'll be more than happy to hand over my guns to the UN.....one bullet at a time!


20 posted on 06/16/2006 6:30:59 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
"C'mon to Texas, here in my town we search everyone coming in to see if they have a weapon, those that don't are issued one."

Thank you. I will talking to the MRS. tonight. God Bless America (especially TEXAS).
21 posted on 06/16/2006 6:31:44 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: wmileo
I couldn't agree more. I've mentioned this statistic recently...in the 20th century, 34 million people were killed in wars but 196 million people were killed by their own governments. The solution to this problem is not to disarm everyone, but exactly the opposite....we should be holding firearms safety and marksmanship classes in the public schools, and issuing assault rifles to everyone that passes on graduation day.

But for us in New Jersey, we get little support. I can't really blame the national... they are fighting where it will do some good and that is not New Jersey. But that still leaves us out here swinging.

I think it's on us to educate people where we can. People are always surprised when they discover that I shoot Skeet fairly regularly (in Jackson ...on Sunday mornings)... they say I don't look the type. I usually use the opportunity to try to explain to them that it doesn't mean I'm going to blow their head off. I also try to make a point to bring as many of my non - gun owning friends out to the club for a round or two just so they can see how much fun it is. so far I've opened several minds, and created two out and out converts.

Also, a good friends wife works as on air talent at Fox News and I've been trying to talk some of her co workers into coming out to the club and trying it out. I figure if there are a few members of the media who realize that shooting sports are less scary and more fun than they thought, it's a win for us.

Small steps is the only thing I can think of. But I've also buried two 640 round spam cans of 7.62x39 just in case.
22 posted on 06/16/2006 6:33:44 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: tcostell
You are more optimistic than me. Keep up the good work.
23 posted on 06/16/2006 7:23:30 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: jodiluvshoes
YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR GUNS!!!

We can send you a few bullets though.

24 posted on 06/16/2006 7:39:26 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Guest tagline,doing jobs lazy american taglines won't!)
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To: xrp

Agreed. I've already recruited one neighbor.


25 posted on 06/16/2006 7:42:37 AM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: Bommer

Oops! I didin't see your post in time.


26 posted on 06/16/2006 7:42:58 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Guest tagline,doing jobs lazy american taglines won't!)
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To: mr_hammer

"Take the U.N. by eminent domian and convert it into condo's."

The property was donated to the U.N. by Rockefeller. Do you really think that NYC would dare take that property?


27 posted on 06/16/2006 7:50:41 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I'm a big critic of the UN to, but I think we should think about that a minute.

The fact of the matter is that the people involved in the UN and their supporters are not the brightest bunch...just your average set of banana republic thugs, Napolean wannabe's and their dim witted kool aid drinking fans. But if they weren't at the UN making their ridiculous "demands" in the public light, then they would be off in some east African hotel room making them quietly and waiting to spring them on us when the FBI or CIA found out about them.

So from that perspective, it's really not so bad to have them over there on the east side. So long as no-one takes them or what they say too seriously. Now THERE is a problem. Unfortunately, we have quite a few dim witted kool-aid drinkers here as well, and some of them might be giving up their Senate seats to run for president. If that happens then we need to keep the political pressure on to preserve or expand the rights of gun owners, otherwise we really will be living in the police state of the UN's dreams.
28 posted on 06/16/2006 8:09:31 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: jodiluvshoes
We're From the U.N. and We Want Your Guns

Why don't you come to Texas and we'll "discuss" the matter? In fact, PLEASE come - we've got some messages to deliver to you, and we wish to do so promptly...preferably via airmail. As for your expectations in this regard, please ask the British delegation how their nation's "discussion" with us Americans went about 230 years ago.

29 posted on 06/16/2006 8:59:57 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: palmer; Admin Moderator

And what has he done? Is his name on any lawsuits against the San Francisco council? Yes, he's a Sarah Brady troll. He can't use any point of view that isn't over thirty years old.

He can't answer the question if the NRA isn't there, who would be? Another gun group that hasn't done a single solitary thing on their own since their existance?


30 posted on 06/16/2006 2:56:15 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5; dhuffman@awod.com

Looked over the links he provided, the kaba is benign, the nrawol site is a little wierd, dated maybe, but factual. For example, recognizing that the NRA is a "wing of the R party". That's not a bad thing like they make it out to be, and they are have the direction wrong, the R party is responsive to NRA members values. I am an NRA member and a GOA member, each has its strengths. I will stay open-minded about this group as well.


31 posted on 06/16/2006 8:28:08 PM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Never mind that the NRA specifically endorsed the 1968 GCA.

Other than that, they're a great bunch of fundraisers.

L

32 posted on 06/16/2006 8:33:30 PM PDT by Lurker ("They still see you as the infidel, the other, and they'll still kill you. " Mark Steyn)
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To: Sender

NRA supporter myself for many years now and will continue to support it.

If Kofi wants my guns, the runt can come and get them.


33 posted on 06/16/2006 8:41:04 PM PDT by jerry639
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To: Lurker

Over thirty years ago. the NRA wasn't a lobbying group. They were a competitive shooting and hunting organization. Their main supporters were the firearms manufacturers. Their only clout in Washington was sending the occasional letter to their members. When the '68 gun law was proposed, a lot of the members, especially the manufacterers saw it as protectionism. The NRA's numbers weren't all that great either. I doubt they had a million members at that time. I think it was in the low hundred thousands.
Since that time, there have been at least two overthrows of power. THE NRA ISN'T THE SAME ORGANIZATION THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH "ENDORSING" THE GUN LAW AND I DOUBT THEY DID.

You crybabies should finally tell me what gun organization has ever done anything without the NRA's help. Either do that or shut up. And you palmer, probably still can't tell me what the GOA has ever done by itself.

Four million NRA members doing what seventy four million gunowners are too lazy to do.


34 posted on 06/17/2006 5:04:30 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: wmileo

The irony about the "gun-control" crowd on the coasts is that gun control isn't really the problem. The problem is created by welfare moms raising 12 criminal children by 12 different fathers, the liberal judges who refuse to come down hard on criminals and the liberal media that treats criminals as the "true" victims. Our problem isn't guns, but the liberal culture that has not only bred criminals, but keeps putting them back out on the street.


35 posted on 06/17/2006 6:19:17 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: Shooter 2.5
Over thirty years ago. the NRA wasn't a lobbying group

It really bothers me when people make excuses for treasonous behavior.

It's like if Clinton suddenly saw the light and decided to become pro 2nd Amendment. I wouldn't trust him no matter what he did.

It's the same with the NRA.

BTW, Charlton Heston personally favored the 68 GCA and urged the President to sign it.

So much for the 'different organization' canard.

L

36 posted on 06/17/2006 3:31:07 PM PDT by Lurker (Decadence pervades the corridors of power and depravity walks the side streets.)
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To: wmileo
In SanFrancisco, 60% voted to make it illegal to own a handgun.
Were it not for the NRA law suit, this situation would have stood.

Not true.

There are plenty of gun groups that would have filed suit, [and won] if the NRA had not.

37 posted on 06/17/2006 3:41:54 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Lurker
"Over thirty years ago. the NRA wasn't a lobbying group"

-- It really bothers me when people make excuses for treasonous behavior.
It's like if Clinton suddenly saw the light and decided to become pro 2nd Amendment. I wouldn't trust him no matter what he did.
It's the same with the NRA.

Thirty seven years ago I had a gunsmiths license and was a staunch NRA member. This all changed when the NRA turncoats came in power & supported the '68 act', -- which they still do.

BTW, Charlton Heston personally favored the 68 GCA and urged the President to sign it. So much for the 'different organization' canard.

Yep, the NRA still plays footsie with the government power structure.

If the 'new' Court would decide that our 2nd amendment doesn't apply to States, [allowing CA to outright prohibit handguns for instance] guess who would be finding excuses to agree.. -- Bet on the NRA.

38 posted on 06/17/2006 4:05:41 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Badray

Ping!


39 posted on 06/17/2006 5:40:58 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Lurker

Wrong.

It would be the same is if you hated clintoon,[which shouldn't be a stretch of the imagination] and then hated the United States of America because of his term decades later.

The board of directors from the NRA who supported or ignored the passage of the '68 gun law are all dead and buried.

But then it's an easy excuse to sit on the sidelines and do nothing while the NRA gets results.


40 posted on 06/17/2006 7:30:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The board of directors from the NRA who supported or ignored the passage of the '68 gun law are all dead and buried.

Charleton Heston is dead? How did I miss that?

L

41 posted on 06/17/2006 7:46:09 PM PDT by Lurker (When decadence pervades the corridors of power, depravity walks the side streets.)
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To: Lurker

Charleton Heston was a member of the board back in 1968?

How did I miss that?


42 posted on 06/17/2006 8:26:35 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Charlton Heston was an NRA member in 1968.

Charlton Heston lobbied for passage and the signing into Law of the 1968 Gun Control Act.

Charlton Heston did so with the full knowledge of the NRA Board.

Charlton Heston was until recently the Chairman of the NRA.

Charlton Heston has never, to my knowledge, called for the repeal of the 1968 GCA.

Is anything I wrote untrue or inaccurate in any way?

If it is, kindly correct me.

If it is not, kindly STFU.

TIA.

L

43 posted on 06/17/2006 8:32:19 PM PDT by Lurker (When decadence pervades the corridors of power, depravity walks the side streets.)
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To: jodiluvshoes

To all lurkers who love this great nation, but who will never sign up to FreeRepublic...thanks for reading this thread and thanks for being out there.


44 posted on 06/17/2006 8:40:51 PM PDT by PGalt (Buy more ammo)
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To: Lurker

As I said before all of the the board of directors are all dead and buried who were "reponsible" for the 1968 gun law. They're "responsible" only because to lobby Washington at the time would have been a unlawful act according to their IRS code. The NRA was NOT a lobbying group.

Under the guidance of Charleton Heston, he and Wayne LaPierre went on a massive city to city tour during the 2000 presidential election. The result is clintoon blaming the NRA for algore's loss.

If that "other" gun group is so effective, why do we still have a '68 gun law?


45 posted on 06/17/2006 8:51:45 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
If that "other" gun group is so effective, why do we still have a '68 gun law?

I never claimed any other gun group was effective.

I claimed that the NRA has been responsible for more gun control legislation than the Brady nags could ever hope to claim, and that's a fact.

L

46 posted on 06/17/2006 8:53:40 PM PDT by Lurker (When decadence pervades the corridors of power, depravity walks the side streets.)
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To: mr_hammer

Not condo's a great big BORDELLO it's diplomatic turf so NY laws regarding prostitition wouldn't apply & you would be able to say that at least the place was obeying the truth in advertising laws.


47 posted on 06/17/2006 10:20:05 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: tcostell

If it is time to bury it, it's time to dig it up.


48 posted on 06/18/2006 8:52:31 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: tpaine

"There are plenty of gun groups that would have filed suit, [and won] if the NRA had not."

Do these Gun groups have the resources the NRA has? if they do, I stand corrected.

Thank you.


49 posted on 06/19/2006 10:04:09 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Lurker
I read an interview Heston did about 7 years ago. He acknowledged lobbying for that 1968 gun control measure after the Assassinations which took place during that year. He has also gone on the record as saying that it was a mistake. He was a member of the NRA but not a board member at that time.
50 posted on 06/19/2006 10:10:07 AM PDT by wmileo
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