A new Rasmussen Poll: Allen(51%), Webb(41%)

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[waterloofan]

A fresh Rasmussen poll(premium) shows that Allen is leading Webb by 51% to 41%. Apprently Webb got a bounce from his primary victory

[waterloofan]

Dont blame me but I am very poll-obsessed.

[muawiyah]

Webb is an antisemitic, fascist sympathizer. Such critters have unfortunately become quite popular in Virginia as of late.

[umgud]

I like Allen. Hope he kicks Webb's rear, then runs for prez in '08.

[waterloofan]

explain what you mean by antisemitic, facist??
Does it mean Webb is to the right of Allen?

I have no idea about Webb's politics.

[bybybill]

Either does Webb

[Alberta's Child]

You know the Democrats are really scraping the bottom of the barrel when they have to get someone who served as a key member of the Defense Department in a Republican administration to run in a high-profile race like this.

[muawiyah]

Miller, Webb's opponent in the primaries, certainly was subjected to an interesting sort of attack that depicted him as having an exceedingly hooked nose and accused him of being greedy.

Webb's people denied that the use of anti-semitic stereotypes made one an anti-semite.

For the most part the Virginia Democratic party has fallen into the rough hands of Corporatists, which is just another way of saying "fascists". The current governor, and the guy before him, fit that profile to a "T".

Unless the African-American community comes around to accepting the idea that they don't really need to live on a Plantation run by Corporatists, Allen might well lose this election!

[Victoria Delsoul]

You said it.

[trek]

"I have no idea about Webb's politics."

There is alot to dislike about Webb. For example, he is a pro-abort. But that is very misleading. Personally, I think the appearance of a Webb in the Democrat party is refreshing. He is a little rough around the edges but Webb in many ways is like an old Henry Jackson style Democrat. He is definitely not a raging ultra-left kook like the vast majority of the Democrat politicians these days.

I don't live in Virginia. And given the choice of Webb or Allen, I would vote Allen. But don't demonize Webb. The ascension of people like Webb into the Democrat party should be welcomed.

[ansel12]

This doesn't sound as good as it should for my man Allen.


I have very little idea whats going on in Virginia, but I know Webb just went through a nasty primary yet he is at 41% and Allen (our next president) is only at 51%.

[muawiyah]

I live in Virginia. Webb and the others like him thrown up by the Democrats over the last 5 years (at the state level) actually should be demonized. All of them are prepared to raise taxes for no reason at all.

[muawiyah]

NOTE: The Dems had a contest ~ lots of advertising. Allen walked. This is simply name recognition for the moment.

[AntiGuv]

Well, except that Webb hasn't gone up on the airwaves at all while Allen has already put up ads..

[waterloofan]

you sounds like a demoRAT. What the hell is coportist?

[muawiyah]

School is letting out all over Virginia with graduations this week ~ folks have other things on their minds at the moment.

Most would probably say "George Who?".

[TheLion]

George Allen Bump!

[OKIEDOC]

I see you read very closely the book How To Win Enemies and P!$$ off FReepers especially those who think Allen has done a good job in the Senate.

You comment about antisemitism and fascism being on the right of Allen just isn't appreciated.

Are you branding FReepers as being Nazis.

[rebelyell7]

This is the sort of liberal PC nonsense that is used against conservatives all the time. The drawing of Miller was a TRACING OF MILLERS ACTUAL PROFILE. Literally, there are side by side comparisons out there where you can see that it's almost an exact match. The "antisemitic stereotype" is simply doing an accurate sketch of what the guy looked like. Quick, call the PC police!

[onyx]

Hey, thanks for the ping!
Looking GOOD.

[zarf]

Allen will win this by a nose hair. A long grey one perhaps, but he'll win in a tight race.

[muawiyah]

A definition: "corporative state, economic system inaugurated by the Fascist regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy. It was adapted in modified form under other European dictatorships, among them Adolf Hitler's National Socialist regime in Germany and the Spanish regime of Francisco Franco."

A "corporatist" (correcting the spelling for ye there) is one who believes in the "corporative state".

The internet dictionary definition (above) misses the boat ~ way back when Commies and Nazis were referred to as "Fabians" (out of polite consideration) some were referred to as "corporatist" ~ having come up with the strange idea that central state control of mercantilist enterprise was the best way to distribute goods and services while retaining real political power in the hands of the "better sort", eh!

Yup, Webb is one of them.

Now, what's this about "sound like a Democrat"? Whachyou mean with that (using my best Richard Pryor voice)?.

[TheLion]

He should win the Virginia election. At least he didn't vote for the shamenesty bill! I'll be doing all I can here to help him.

[onyx]

you sounds like a demoRAT. What the hell is coportist?

You're the one poll obsessed and THAT is a mark of a democrat.

muawiyah is a long time poster here. You're not.

[AntiGuv]

Leaving aside the astounding silliness of your position that Virginia voters are more familiar with Webb than with Allen, the fact remains that Webb has not aired any ads at all whereas Allen has been on the airwaves for a couple weeks.

[muawiyah]

You can excuse it all you want, but it was done, and it was a classic caricature none the less.

Everybody involved in the act KNEW what it was yet they persisted.

It was indefensible.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Allen will win this by a nose hair. A long grey one perhaps, but he'll win in a tight race.

So you've gone from bashing Allen to grudgingly conceding that he'll win by a squeaker.

At least you're making progress.

[onyx]

I know you'll see to his reelection!

[muawiyah]

Your statement is incomprehensible. All I noted was that during the primary there was more publicity given to the Miller/Webb contest than to Allen's non-contested nomination.

Whatever happened AFTER the primary is irrelevant to a relatively local poll which probably is not terribly current.

[trek]

"All of them are prepared to raise taxes for no reason at all"

Old "Scoop" was pretty fond of raising taxes too. But I would still take him over a bloated old communist like Kennedy any day.

[zarf]

I'll continue to bash him nationally-he's a bad, bad bet for president.

[AntiGuv]

Whatever.

This is what you said: "The Dems had a contest ~ lots of advertising. Allen walked. This is simply name recognition for the moment."

I merely noted that Webb has not aired any advertising at all whereas Allen has been advertising for a couple weeks.

Beyond that, I don't know what your problem is and I don't care. Your statement was misleading and so I replied with a more accurate representation of the facts.

[Torie]

Oh goodie, another Pubbie seat in play. But Allen is so well known, that it will be tough for Webb to close the gap. The poll is more of a partisan template of Virginia itself. Very partisan figures tend to run to the template, all things being equal.

[muawiyah]

I don't recall Scoop Jackson being tolerant of antisemitic tomfoolery on the part of his staffers.

Webb seems to tolerate such behavior quite well, and allows it to be "excused" since, after all, Miller does have a large nose.

Webb has also spent a lot of time in Viet Nam hob-nobbing with their power elite.

What it gets down to is not a choice between a Scoop Jackson and a Teddy Kennedy (when it comes to Webb), but between a Teddy Kennedy and a John Kerry.

[muawiyah]

Your statement was even more misleading than my own. All of us here know very well that the more localized the poll, the more likely it's been done over a longer period of time and does not reflect the current situation.

Otherwise we have to believe politicians spend their OWN MONEY on very expensive polling processes AFTER THE ELECTION!

The fact Webb draws even 41% simply reflects that he is benefiting from name-recognition generated during the Dem primary campaign.

[AntiGuv]

Notwithstanding that indecipherable incoherence, the fact remains that Webb has not aired any ads at all whereas Allen has been advertising for a couple weeks.

[edwin hubble]

"explain what you mean by antisemitic, fascist??"

In his campaign Webb used images of his Democratic primary opponent (Miller) that were derogatory cartoon caricatures - in a classic antisemitic style.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/062006/06082006/197593

[trek]

"I don't recall Scoop Jackson being tolerant of antisemitic tomfoolery on the part of his staffers."

This is absolutely true.

I saw the Webb add. And I think they were definitely trying to appeal to an anti-semitic sterotype to what end I'm not sure not knowing the electoral demographics of Virginia.

Based on his writings I see Webb as an old fashioned Scots-Irish brawler. I think if Webb and Miller were young and friends Webb might cast an anti-semitic slur at Miller, the two would punch each other for a while and then go have a beer. Its not personal with him I think.

[Torie]

Didn't Webb run ads in the primary?

[advance_copy]

Apprently Webb got a bounce from his primary victory

Yes, a bit of a bounce. But Allen is still leading by 10pct. That's right after Northern Virginia drive-by media went all-Webb-all-the-time for two days. My guess is the same happened in Richmond and Hampton Roads. Senator Allen's campaign is just starting. George Allen will wipe the floor with Webb.

[AntiGuv]

Webb had one radio ad and that's it - no TV ads. Miller had a full-scale radio & tv ad campaign and Allen has been airing TV ads since Memorial Day.

[Torie]

That is odd. Webb had no TV ads in the week before the primary election? In any event, the post above said it was all Webb all the time, in DC land. Maybe he meant free MSM. I don't know.

[AntiGuv]

So, I should not have said no ads "at all" as I just looked it up to be sure and Webb did air a radio ad just before the election. However, there were a number of commentaries before the primary with regard to whether Webb's reliance on the "netroots" and print media for his campaign would prevail over Miller's traditional R/TV ad campaign.

[AntiGuv]

Webb, a Republican turned Democrat who is an author and former secretary of the Navy, has spent a little bit of money on radio advertising and direct mail but no TV.

[Torie]

Interesting strategy. It clearly worked.

[advance_copy]

Webb doesn't need to buy ads, the liberal media give it to him for free. Allen is still whipping him.

[AntiGuv]

And impressively so, since Miller spent well over $1 million on TV ads. That's actually the ironic part of the above observation that there's been a lot of advertising: There has been, but it's almost exclusively been attack ads savaging Webb. In light of that, if the 41% figure is legit, then Allen's got significant problems IMHO. I think that's almost entirely an anti-Allen vote (or anti-GOP/anti-Bush by proxy). If it's legit, then this could very swiftly become a toss up race once Webb goes on TV.

[Nonstatist]

I can't see Allen losing to Webb. Allen has never lost a campaign in Virginia and is not disliked. Even the leftish tilt of Northern Va cant do him in, I think Webb is wasting his time (his time to waste, of course)

[Torie]

Could be, but as I said, Allen is a very high profile and known quantity.

[Nonstatist]

Webb's gotten a lot of free media from the Wa Post, etc, and already has name recognition. That last 10 % (from 41 % upwards) is gonna be hard for him to get, IMO.

[AntiGuv]

I think it's rather clear at this point that Virginia is drifting leftward. Kerry took 45.48% of the VA vote in 2004 and I think it'll be rather easy for Webb to match that. It's the last 4% that'll be a b!tch for him once Allen is fully engaged. The big question right now in VA politics is whether the Hampton Roads area is really following in the path of NoVa as some think. If so, a lot of the CW on Virginia politics will soon be obsolete, if it isn't already.