Marine addresses disrespect to Nat'l Anthem at Baseball game

www.kinstonindians.com ^ | June 12, 2006-presen | various

[muawiyah]

You also missed the fact that the Supreme Court ruled this particular code "out of line".

It's a big issue to some of us if not you, but, then again, it's not your flag eh!

[katiedidit1]

The simple answer is some of us prefer to show respect for our national emblems and others do NOT...however, sacrifices have been made so that we may have a choice.
As for me...I prefer to show the highest regard for our flag and to National Anthem and have taught my children to follow suit or risk getting smacked silly.

[muawiyah]

There should be no choice. A good reason to not give any money to professional baseball teams is their unwillingness to discipline the players so they do not give offense to the rest of us.

Same for all other professional sports except possibly curling, but then I don't know all the scandals surrounding that sport. Lord only knows what they do in their free time. Pose nekkid maybe.

[cowboyway]

Not a game.

Too bad you feel that way.

What about rock stars? Is that an 'adult' job?

[Conan the Librarian]

As you know absolutly nothing about me, I don't see how you can say that about me..

I will offer that it is a very big issue to me that I take issue with anyone who tries to dictate how I show respect to the nation. Too many have died for our rights of freedom for anyone to try to dictate anyone elses lives, whether we like it or not.

Being born on the Forth of July, I have always had a great respect for the flag and usually sing the Star-Spangled Banner with Great Gusto, even if I am the only one singing.

But then again, we were given the liberties that we have by the blood and sweat of those gone before us. That liberty also includes the right to not show respect to the flag or say the pledge. If we don't have that right, then their sacrifice means nothing.

Perhaps you should be more thoughtful of your post before posting.

[Live and let live conservative]

Is it? This guy's a baseball player ~ ever wonder why he's still playing games instead of working an adult job?

Better pay?

[muawiyah]

Many of them have the same problem. Then, there's the case of the former C&W group, "The Dixie Chicks" ~ gad!

Many entertainment types have difficult being polite, or showing respect for their audience, or the symbols the members of that audience hold dear.

[muawiyah]

No, I have a real simple belief on the matter. It's my flag. Anyone who believes it can be rightfully disrespected has no part in the ownership.

[toddlintown]

"But then again....I am just a civilian."

And that exempts you?

[toddlintown]

From the American Legion...

171. Conduct during playing National Anthem
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.

For what it's worth.

[91B]

True-I've always heard the announcer say "Please stand and Gentlemen, please remove your hats for the national anthem".

I guess many of the women think they are exempt. Or at least I hope so, the alternative is that they are worried about their hair. Ugh.

[daybreakcoming]

I was taught that hand over heart is a civilian salute to the flag. Some do it - some don't.

I agree with you on the singing of the anthem - especially when a uh professional performer wants to put their own mark on it. Strong and straight is the way it should be.

[ccmay]

See post 50. It is not proper protocol for women to remove their hats, any more than they do in church. It's a male thing only.

-ccm

[Conan the Librarian]

Only from the position that having not servsed in the armed forces. I think that those who do/have served probably deserve more say in the matter than me, a mere civilian.

[Conan the Librarian]

So what you are saying is that what we call "freedom" is really totalitarianism? You can only be free if you do what you are told? Where is the freedom in that?

Are you saying that guys that did the Boston Tea Party were wrong? Or that the men at Lexington and Concord were wrong? They disrespected their national flag. The broke government law, yet they were heros. Do we not have that same right? Or has our freedom been taken away by those who would protect the symbol over the freedom that the symbol represents?

[91B]

I expect that those rules were established some time ago. In the 40s or 50s women's hats were not the ball caps so commonly worn by them today. Further that concession to female vanity doubtlessly preceded "feminism". If women want to be treated equally, they should not expect to enjoy any double standards.

The rules cited in post 50 don't explicitly mention female behavior, so I assume that the expectations that govern female behavior in those instances were heavily influenced by concepts associated with chivalry. "Feminists" found those ideas "restricting". They made the rules, now they get to live by them.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

Did you read that the Dixie Chicks said that people don't need to be patriots!

[muawiyah]

Don't be ridiculous. You know very well that if I dropped caps on your tail for dissing my flag you'd be the first to go crying to the cops ~ after your momma of course.

You wanna' do a revolution, be prepared to pay the price. What happens to you ain't no thing to me.

[Conan the Librarian]

All I have to say is that you are one of the reasons that Free Republic has the reputation of being nut bags and intolerant bigots.

[muawiyah]

BTW, your Ben Franklin quote is WRONG. He never said that.

Come back someday when you figure out that your countryclub libertarianism is based on erroneous premises, leads you to inappropriate conclusions, and is not at all the sort of thing any people living in a free republic can stomach.