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Islam Channel sponsors anti-Zionist debate in London
JPost ^ | 19 jun 06 | Jonny Paul

Posted on 06/20/2006 5:34:58 AM PDT by white trash redneck

Informed, honest debate on the Middle East has been stifled because of a fear of being accused of anti-Semitism, according to the participants in a discussion hosted by the Islam Channel in central London on Thursday. The broadcaster is the largest Islamic television outlet in Europe.

The discussion, titled: "Why anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism," was filmed against a backdrop reading "Zionism: The cancer at the heart of international affairs."

The discussion was chaired by Alan Hart, a former ITN and BBC correspondent whose latest book, "Zionism: The real enemy of the Jews" was recently published. He said, "The anti-Semitism card is something the Zionists have exploited to suppress debate."

He said the mainstream media had concealed "the truth of history" out of fear of offending Jews and thanked CEO Mohammed Ali of the Islam Channel for "his courage in widening the debate."

Hart said the assumption is that "Zionism and Judaism are same thing, therefore criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitism, but Zionism is the nationalism of some Jews, a tiny minority."

"The propaganda they use, the Melanie Phillips version [a Jewish journalist for The Daily Mail], is that Israel faces annihilation and fears being pushed into the sea," Hart said. He said this was a myth.

"The truth about 1967 was that [then-prime minister Levi] Eshkol and [chief of General Staff Yitzhak] Rabin didn't want war, the hawks pushed them into it as wanted to portray Eshkol as weak and [there] was unfinished business from 1948, which was to form a greater Israel," Hart said.

Three Jewish anti-Zionists sat on the panel, including a representative of the haredi Natorei Karta, along with Palestinian scholar Ghada Karmi.

Ilan Pappe of the University of Haifa's political science department, a revisionist historian at the forefront of calls for a boycott of Israel, said that to divorce Zionism from Judaism it was necessary to refrain from using Zionist terminology. For example, you should not talk about a Jewish Diaspora. "The only diaspora is the Palestinians, therefore there is a need to adopt new language," he said.

The Natorei Karta sect was represented by Rabbi Ahron Cohen, who was a member of the delegation that went to Iran to offer support to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in March following his comments that Israel should be wiped off the map.

Cohen said, "Zionists imposed a secular faith state on the Palestinians, this is immoral and the underlying cause of the strife. Zionism and Judaism are incompatible concepts. Many Jews do not approve of Zionism but they cannot say this publicly."

"In Judaism, the land of Palestine was given, but under certain conditions. There must be high moral, religious and ethical standards. These have not been met, so the divine decree is that Jews must live in other countries. We believe in the peaceful dismantling of the Zionist state," he said.

Karmi, a research fellow at the Institute of Arab and Islamic Studies at Exeter University and a former consultant to the Palestinian Authority, said the mistreatment of the Jews was a European affair that had nothing to do with Palestinians. "Why were we dumped with this problem?" she asked.

She offered her own interpretation of Zionism. "The Europeans did it to atone for their sins and guilt but the Jews who arrived in Palestine were not the Jews we knew, they were complicated and miserable and the problem is that they're still there."

"Israel has been a total disaster for the entire Arab world, nothing positive or beneficial has come from it," she said.

The last member of the panel was Hajo Meyer, a German-born scientist and Holocaust survivor. Now living in the Netherlands, Meyer is a member of the board of Another Jewish Voice, which is part of the European Jewish Alliance for a Just Peace. He has frequently said Israel was "treating the Palestinian people in the same way the Nazis treated Jews during the Second World War."

"Zionism is a child of nationalism and colonialism forced to be a cure for anti-Semitism, but [it] has become the main cause of anti-Semitism," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; hatefilledsickos; islam
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The Islam Channel (aka CNN here in the US).

The hatefulness of these savages just makes me shake my head in amazement sometimes.

1 posted on 06/20/2006 5:34:59 AM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
Islam Channel in central London

Paging Timothy McVeigh.

2 posted on 06/20/2006 5:41:26 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: white trash redneck

As in the days of McCarthyism, the "victims" are loudly proclaiming that they are stifled.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 5:43:15 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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To: SJackson; Salem; Alouette; dennisw; Yehuda; Nachum; jabotinsky; American in Israel; ...
"Why anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism" Shuck and Jive alert - Ping!
4 posted on 06/20/2006 5:43:41 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: white trash redneck

Where is the "MAJOR GAG" Alert?


5 posted on 06/20/2006 5:50:26 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Damn, they've got us: Jews have no connection to the Middle East, Israelis are colonists and oppressors, and the Holocaust was a European affair. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to drain the blood of a gentile child so I can bake matzot.

[I hope nobody missed the sarcasm.]

6 posted on 06/20/2006 5:54:32 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Pray for peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

These Arabs are deranged liars. Islam makes them delusional. Facts are that 50% of Israeli Jews have roots in Arab nations and were evicted from them or life was so unpleasant they left for Israel. Some came here


7 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:48 AM PDT by dennisw (Fate of Nations)
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To: white trash redneck
Any one who advocates the destruction of the Jewish State IS an anti-Semite. There is no other way to describe such a person and he is surely as much an enemy of the Jews as a person would be regarded as an enemy of Americans if he advocated the destruction of America. Let's drop the anti-Zionist euphemism. The late Martin Luther King Jr. saw through it and recognized it for what it was. He said, "When people say Zionists, they mean Jews." A shame our post-modern world seems incapable of rendering the same kind of judgment.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

8 posted on 06/20/2006 6:14:53 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: white trash redneck
Illan Pape is a tenured Red extremist at Haifa U. The Naturei Karta are a group of Satmar Hassid extremists who have as much in common with mainstream Judaism as a snake handling sect would for Christians. I'm not surprised to see self-hating Jews consort with anti-Semites. It would be news if they didn't.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

9 posted on 06/20/2006 6:18:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: white trash redneck

These idiots can't take a dump without blaming it on some worldwide zionist conspiracy.


10 posted on 06/20/2006 6:29:53 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.

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11 posted on 06/20/2006 6:44:01 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

It's called DEFLECTION --- if they can get everyone in England to hate the jews, it's hoped that they'll forget to hate the pathological, islamofascist exploders of lies, bombs, and other forms of terrorist intimidation.


12 posted on 06/20/2006 6:45:19 AM PDT by desertlily
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To: white trash redneck
Israel Islam has been a total disaster for the entire Arab world, nothing positive or beneficial has come from it," she said
13 posted on 06/20/2006 6:54:24 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: white trash redneck

Debating these inbred halfwit jihadists is a waste of time. They should be "put out of business"..


14 posted on 06/20/2006 7:13:11 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Dang! Double Dang! Looks like they've found us out! Now we'll never be able to get the Zionist-Christian world domination off the ground.

(complete and total sarcasm and not to be taken seriously)


15 posted on 06/20/2006 7:21:10 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: SJackson

Please take me OFF your ping list (too many pings)
Thanks!


16 posted on 06/20/2006 7:36:07 AM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: white trash redneck

"Zionism: The cancer at the heart of international affairs."


SHOULD READ: "Islam: The cancer at the heart of international affairs."

It isn't Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Animism, Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, Wiccan, Atheism, Bahai, or half a dozen other belief systems which are trying to kill other people for not convertng to their way of thinking its ISLAM. And even other Mulsims aren't safe. Shiites and Sunnis are just as willing to gun down and blow up each other as they are willing to massacre other Islamic sects. And the belief system they are advocating is a brutal, myopic, retrograde, insular, intolerant, anti-female, anti-male, inhuman, anachronistic, iconoclastic monstrosity.

How LONG are we going to TOLERATE these people???????????


17 posted on 06/20/2006 8:00:25 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
How LONG are we going to TOLERATE these people???????????

We will tolerate them as long as they sit on the richest deposits of oil in the world. We will tolerate them as long as they hold hundreds of billions of dollars (maybe a trillion) and can destablize our economy. We will tolerate them because our state dept. has been bought and paid for. We will tolerate them because they have the money to arm and train a military and doing everything in their power to prove that they mercilessly lie, steal, torture and murder to have their way. We tolerate them because many of the key cities of Europe have violent muslim populations that can and will go to war.

We tolerate them because our leaders have no balls.

18 posted on 06/20/2006 10:58:59 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

"We tolerate them because our leaders have no balls."

And no backbones or guts. Just large wallets which can never be filled.


19 posted on 06/20/2006 11:26:19 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: white trash redneck; Convert from ECUSA

"Hart said the assumption is that "Zionism and Judaism are same thing, therefore criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitism, but Zionism is the nationalism of some Jews, a tiny minority."

Uh, check your Bible (Torah). How many times is Israel mentioned? How many Mitzvot are only fulfilled in Israel? There is no Judaism without Zionism.


20 posted on 06/20/2006 2:27:57 PM PDT by dervish
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