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Breaking? WMD report?

Posted on 06/21/2006 2:38:38 PM PDT by Scarchin

I just got a phonecall saying something big was about to break RE: WMD but I can't get to a TV. Anyone?


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KEYWORDS: demnightmare; first; iraq; iraqiwmds; prewarintelligence; santorum; wmd
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To: LukeL
It is all one giant plan to win the midterm elections.

Sorry....I just can't see the logic of allowing the non-release of this to make 3 whole years of the Bush administration a living hell of partisan politics in which it has become more and more difficult to pass his agenda.

151 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:40 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: GrandEagle

No, they were ordered to destroy them.


152 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:44 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: Scarchin

Yet the lead story on CNN is - "Marines, medic charged with murder".

Who else is NOT shocked?


153 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:45 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: dartuser

I haven't seen any mention of it over there yet.


154 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:54 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: GrandEagle
WE (the US) taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons back when they were at war with Iran.

That's a damn myth.

155 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: jackv

You'll hear this:

These were old munitions Iraq reported to the UN inspectors, saying they couldn't find them.

These were munitions we knew he had.

They were old, dating from the Iraq/Iran war, and were not kept secret by Saddam.

We've know this for a long time.

Mustard gas in not that lethal.

If this was significant, the administration would have release it already.

Blah, Blah, Blah.


156 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:59 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: thoughtomator
It's in two languages. Russian and German.
And English....
157 posted on 06/21/2006 3:04:59 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: rightinthemiddle

Might be them... then again, might not. Who knows? You?


158 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:07 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Ditto
That's a damn myth.
LOL!! And that my FRiend, is a joke!
159 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:14 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Screamname

Timely reminder


160 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:15 PM PDT by pissant
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To: BurbankKarl
They found Natalie Hollway in Fallujah.

they would cover that, MORE than the found WMD's. At least Greta would. they give more deference to someone presumed dead, than to those two boys KNOWN dead.

161 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:15 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The Rat Party's goal is to END the conflict, not WIN the conflict...should be the other way around.)
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To: jackv

John Fund:

Other sources tell me that recently translated captured documents include target lists of U.S. facilities and frequent references to WMDs in Saddam's possession. "He was either being lied to by his own officials, lying to them or he had something," one intelligence analyst told me.


http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008535


162 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:32 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: dartuser

They will pretend it doesn't exist.


163 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:36 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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From Friday, June 2, 2006 issue.
http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2006/6/2/f3d72f17-a755-4e6a-8774-b12f0d4b80b0.html

U.N. Releases Report on Iraq CW Program


The U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission yesterday released a detailed report on Iraq’s history of production and use of chemical weapons, according to a U.N. release (see GSN, April 4).

The document indicates that Baghdad started exploring chemical weapons in 1971 and established a “large-scale chemical weapons program” in 1981.

The program produced roughly 3,850 tons of mustard, tabun, sarin and VX agents between 1981 and 1991 and “made a significant impact on the outcome of the Iran-Iraq war.”

Baghdad weaponized some 3,300 tons of agents, producing 130,000 munitions. Of these, more than 101,000 were used in combat between 1981 and 1988, according to the report.

Iraq in January 1991 declared that its stockpile contained about 28,500 chemical munitions. Coalition forces in the 1991 Gulf War eliminated 5,500 weapons, and Iraq unilaterally declared destroying another 500.

“These last two figures were partially verified by United Nations inspectors,” the report says.

Most destruction of the remaining 22,000 munitions occurred under the supervision of U.N. inspectors between 1991 and 1994. During the collection of those weapons, Iraq was unable to locate some 500 munitions.

“Although a number of issues relating to the Iraqi chemical weapon program remain unresolved, the United Nations inspectors were able to identify the major parameters of the program, its scope and the results achieved,” the report says (U.N. News Service, June 1).
164 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:42 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: AngryJawa

The Dims/MSM are not going to recognize anything unless it's tons of munitions with Saddams autograph and "For use against the USA" stamped on the containers.


165 posted on 06/21/2006 3:06:53 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: GrandEagle

At a minimum it's political news. The squawkers' mantra has been "No WMD!" - emphasis on the word "no" Dr. HoHo's (and Supreme Allied Commander Murtha's) response to this will be precious.


166 posted on 06/21/2006 3:07:03 PM PDT by Scarchin (www.classdismissedblog.com.)
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To: AngryJawa

neither can I, but as you know, no amount of evidence will convince people otherwise. Even if we find 1000s of WMDs the left will say: "Reagan gave them to Iraq"


167 posted on 06/21/2006 3:07:35 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Scarchin

I sure hope we find the rest of the WMDS and not the bad guys.


168 posted on 06/21/2006 3:07:39 PM PDT by sazerac
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To: Christian4Bush

I'd like to wholeheartedly believe this, but we've been burned by supposed findings before. There were stockpiles here and there in Iraq that were known by the US and the UN and wer eunder monitor and seal.

Now, whether or not a "UN seal" is a laughable oxymoron or not is a topci for another discussion, but what I'd just like to know here, in Don Rumsfeld parlance, is if the WMDs Sen. Santorum speaks of are were already "known knowns" or not?


169 posted on 06/21/2006 3:07:52 PM PDT by Gorobei
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To: Caesar Soze
"Get ready for it ... They're old weapons. They don't count. Bush lied, people died. </sarc>"

Let's hope they do: nobody except for the most hopeless of the Barking Moonbats (BM for short) will listen or even care.

This is game, set, match, and even the MSM knows it.
170 posted on 06/21/2006 3:08:15 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: rightinthemiddle

It's called the Bakka valley.
You can see the huge complex of bunkers from space.


171 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:01 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: finnman69

"Munitions still remaining to be found..."



And I have to believe that one of the reasons that Bush and others haven't been pushing this issue is precisely because they don't know how many more WMDS may exist. We're having enough trouble with insurgents without having to worry about more flooding Iraq with the hopes of finding more of these weapons.


172 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:07 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *sses.)
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To: GrandEagle

Good catch. However, English is spoken the world over. Russian and German, on the other hand, are pretty much only spoken in Russia and Germany. So while the English writing tells us little, the Russian and German writing tells us quite a bit.


173 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:15 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: rightinthemiddle

>>The Dims/MSM are not going to recognize anything unless it's tons of munitions with Saddams autograph and "For use against the USA" stamped on the containers.<<

Awwwwww, you made me spit my Diet Coke!
Please add a "Liquid Warning" next time!


174 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:15 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Oh I can hear them all now. They hate Bush so much they can't EVER do or say the right thing.


175 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:33 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: Scarchin

5:10pm and still nothing on the News wires, just headlines about Marines being charged. Uh, Brit is mentioning it now...


176 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:34 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Ditto

I know I'm right. I just can't say how I know I'm right.


177 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:43 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: GrandEagle
500 chemical munitions found-- mostly artillery shells I really hate to break this news, but this is not news. WE (the US) taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons back when they were at war with Iran. We knew they had these.

Source for your claim that "taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons please?

Nothing personal, but without a credible source to back up your claim it's just so much B.S.

I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course.

178 posted on 06/21/2006 3:09:57 PM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass)
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To: Txsleuth

Rush totally called this. He read some piece from a newspaper that said even if WMD's are found it didn't justify war, and he said that if the MSM is backing away from "There were no WMD's" that it's because they know that the "non-existant" WMD's are about to be found.
I hope this is for real. That would be a great birthday present for me!(Turning 30 on the 24th)


179 posted on 06/21/2006 3:10:22 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: lOKKI

On Brit Hume now and Mark Levin radio.


180 posted on 06/21/2006 3:10:48 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: GrandEagle
WE (the US) taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons back when they were at war with Iran.

No. We. Did. Not.

Where did this knowledge of yours come from? Did you read this on DU? It's not true. I was serving in the Defense Intelligence Agency during the Iran/Iraq war. Read my profile. We never did support Saddam in any way. The reason Saddam used French and Soviet weaponry is BECAUSE we would not sell him our stuff, nor play war games with him, as he was a ruthless bastard. Now, we weren't unhappy to see him take on the ruthless bastards of Tehran, but we never took his side in anything.

181 posted on 06/21/2006 3:10:49 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: tobyhill
Let's see...assuming each projectile is equivalent to a 155-mm GB (Sarin) round uploaded with 6.5 pounds of GB, that would be approximately 1477 kg (1.6 tons) of GB Agent. The LD50 for Sarin is about 100 mg percutaneous per 70 kg man, for a total of 14,770,000 lethal doses to the skin, at 50% fatality. That's more than enough Sarin to kill 7,385,000 people, or the population of Los Angeles, Chicago AND Houston.
182 posted on 06/21/2006 3:10:53 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: bnelson44

I didn't right the report. What's your problem?


183 posted on 06/21/2006 3:10:58 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: Scarchin

The liberals don't care about WMD one way or another, they just enjoy being able to say "Bush lied" etc. No amount of proof will alter their position - it is now as much an article of faith of the leftwing creed as abortion and "tax cuts are only for the rich".


184 posted on 06/21/2006 3:11:03 PM PDT by Argus
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To: rightinthemiddle

Really??
Anybody tell that to the 5,000 dead Kurds? The families of the 100,000 Iranian Dead? The 78,000 LIVING Iranian Gas casualties?


185 posted on 06/21/2006 3:11:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
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To: Scarchin
At a minimum it's political news.
Alright, I'll buy that.
I just don't think it is major that we found what we knew they had.
If and when they find something new, like nuclear material, etc. That would be major news.

I just don't want to look us to look silly when we don't have to. Just MHO though, fell free to disagree.

Cordially,
GE
186 posted on 06/21/2006 3:11:09 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: don-o
Drudge is yesterday. FR is what is happening

But Drudge reaches a lot of people that FR doesn't. It's a symbiotic relationship.
187 posted on 06/21/2006 3:12:24 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (History is a work in progress)
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To: jackv
Jim Angle on WMD with Brit, "The President doesn't want to go back to that debate..."

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??

188 posted on 06/21/2006 3:12:34 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: GrandEagle

Where did you get your info that we helped Iraq make chemical weapons?


189 posted on 06/21/2006 3:12:38 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Txsleuth

Tomorrow he said he will announce his plans for Friday. He is up to something. HEHEHEHEHEHE

I am overjoyed..................


190 posted on 06/21/2006 3:12:49 PM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: thoughtomator
However, English is spoken the world over.
Point well taken, however, it is interesting that we also supplied them with chemical weapons and the technology to make it back when they were fighting with Iran. Then we find it in English. Interesting?
191 posted on 06/21/2006 3:13:42 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: chae

Well, an early Happy Birthday!!!

I don't care what anyone in the MSM or the dems say...this is great news.


192 posted on 06/21/2006 3:13:54 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: DTogo

GW may not want to go back but lots of repubs will debate it!!!


193 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:10 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Who's your enemy here? I'm listing the crap we'll hear from the Dims and the MSM about this!

ONE shell of Sarin is enought to kill thousands. But, we won't hear about that.


194 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:11 PM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: tobyhill

Could be. I thought all the chemical weapons were destroyed. Hans Brix said so.


195 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:23 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: LukeL
neither can I, but as you know, no amount of evidence will convince people otherwise. Even if we find 1000s of WMDs the left will say: "Reagan gave them to Iraq"

This level of skepticism would have never existed were it not for the Administration, the Military, or whoever sitting on this information.

196 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:30 PM PDT by AngryJawa ({NRA}{IDPA})
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To: Txsleuth

Absolutely. If they buried such sensitive equipment as jets, they buried other large stuff. The smaller stuff they put on truck convoy or flew out of country.


197 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:32 PM PDT by debg
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To: Txsleuth

every time I have to go out .. something big happens

Can ya give me a summary of the details?


198 posted on 06/21/2006 3:14:34 PM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&search=Democrats)
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To: kcvl

I thought that maybe he didn't have WMD's, but thought he did. This nutcase put people into wood-chippers, do you want to be the one to tell him that you can't figure out to make a nuke? I've always wondered if Saddam was really surprised that he wasn't able to launch some type of catastrophic attack on us when we attacked.


199 posted on 06/21/2006 3:15:25 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: chae

Would vote for GWB if I could for a 3rd time. Am still waiting for someone to stepup!!!!!!!!!


200 posted on 06/21/2006 3:15:34 PM PDT by RoccoJ
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