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The Battle for Roethlisberger's Brain - Is freedom just another word for falling on your face?
Reason ^ | June 21, 2006 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 06/21/2006 3:47:40 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/21/2006 3:47:44 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Gabz

health nazi - nanny state ping


2 posted on 06/21/2006 3:52:10 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

I'm surprised his NFL contract didn't stipulate that he not engage in dangerous off-the-field activities, such as riding motorcycles without appropriate protective equipment.


3 posted on 06/21/2006 3:53:26 PM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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4 posted on 06/21/2006 3:55:02 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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To: neverdem

Yes, you are free not to wear a helmut, but when you are riding on a public road, you are subject to all sorts of restrictions. Furthermore, you are less likely to die if you wear one. If you care nothing aboiut yourself, think of the motorist and what a pickle he/she faces if he/she kills you. You are dead and strangers have to pick up the mess.


5 posted on 06/21/2006 4:00:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: EricT.
I'm surprised his NFL contract didn't stipulate that he not engage in dangerous off-the-field activities, such as riding motorcycles without appropriate protective equipment.

So was I.

Its up to each NFL team to insert that kind of language in there.

You'd be surprised at how restrictive baseball contracts are, alot of players are banned from playing even recreational basketball, Don Mattinly's contract, one of the few I have ever seen, pretty much banned everything you could possibly name, and listed a whole boatload of sports he was not allowed to play at anytime without permission.

The bargaining agreements allow teams alot of leeway in what restrictions they want to place on players.

NFL teams, are allowed to prohibit motorcycle use during the regular season unless the contract states otherwise.

6 posted on 06/21/2006 4:02:58 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: neverdem
"Riders should wear helmets," the paper proclaimed, "and if they're not going to, perhaps the government should step in and make them."

The case for banning motorcycles is much stronger than the case for required helmets.

But they don't dare.

Yet.

7 posted on 06/21/2006 4:04:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: neverdem
"Riders should wear helmets," the paper proclaimed, "and if they're not going to, perhaps the government should step in and make them."

The case for banning motorcycles is much stronger than the case for required helmets.

But they don't dare.

Yet.

8 posted on 06/21/2006 4:04:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: neverdem
"and if they're not going to, perhaps the government should step in and make them."

I can't tell you how many teachers I had in school who used to say this, then get enraged when I said "fine, and we are free to vote for people who won't step in".

9 posted on 06/21/2006 4:04:52 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: neverdem
44% of accidents involving non-helmeted motorcyclists (in Ohio) are by the uninsured. Perhaps they can ride without helmets if they are insured. Also, doesn't every state in the union require seat belt use under the threat of losing federal highway funds. Why should motorcyclist be given a safety pass? If you are going to have tyranny from the feds requiring hospitals to take care of the uninsured and requiring all to wear seat belts then why do motorcyclists get a free ride?
10 posted on 06/21/2006 4:05:24 PM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: neverdem
As long as Ben, his insurance company or his estate are willing to pay for any damage his gray matter or bone fragment do to my car, I have no problem with his personal choice to not wear a helmet.

Driving without a valid motorcycle operator's permit is another matter.
11 posted on 06/21/2006 4:09:47 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Pass)
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To: neverdem

If God wanted motorcyclists to wear helmets, he would have given them brains. Wait, I guess the smart ones do wear helmets.

My trauma ER doc wife sees quite a few of the others who make wonderful organ donors. Young, strong bodies, with jello where their brain used to be. The "good" thing is that being so young, their brain stem keeps running their body for some time, keeping the organs in great shape. Too bad though that the eyes are so often unusable.


12 posted on 06/21/2006 4:10:39 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
Toothlisberger - I love it!

Wait until Big Ben straps on a helmet and takes some whacks - he'll be singing the 'owwie, my face hurts' blues"!

13 posted on 06/21/2006 4:12:15 PM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Tom Daschle is deeply saddened... Remember him? Bahahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: neverdem; dighton
"Riders should wear helmets," the paper proclaimed, "and if they're not going to, perhaps the government should step in and make them."

As Ron White put it:


14 posted on 06/21/2006 4:14:51 PM PDT by MozarkDawg
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I believe I read in the AJC today that old Ben had decided he'd be wearing a helmet if he ever got on another motorcycle.

Nothing new here. I see other idiots riding with short pants, sneakers, t-shirts etc. They may not really be idiots, but have yet to feel what it's like to lay a street bike down. A few hours in the ER getting gravels, bottle caps, glass fragments, beggar's lice, dried dog feces and used tobacco cuds dug from the top half inch or so of your hide followed by a few weeks of fighting the inevitable infection(s) is a learning experience many people will heed after only one time. Sort of like mashing your face flat and knocking out all your teeth can help you learn to wear a helmet, since the facefulls of lit cigarette butts, Japanese beetles, mouthfuls of gnats, and rocks kicked up from the road didn't give you a hint.


15 posted on 06/21/2006 4:30:10 PM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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To: Investment Biker
It is precisly this type of tyranny that must be opposed at every instance.

I have worn a seatbelt since before it was popular, much less mandatory; yet the "Click it or Ticket" program infuriates me precisely because it mandates something for "my own good".

There is a law in Texas that will fine YOU if you leave your keys in the car and the car gets stolen (it's for your own good, you see).

If we are going to allow this why not expand the list?

No motorcycles, period.

No skydiving or bungee-jumping

No tobacco or alcohol, period

no small, economy cars (too dangerous with SUV's on the road).

no high-risk sexual activity of any kind

fell free to add to the list...

16 posted on 06/21/2006 4:32:49 PM PDT by CenturionM
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To: Sonny M
"and if they're not going to, perhaps the government should step in and make them."

I can't tell you how many teachers I had in school who used to say this, then get enraged when I said "fine, and we are free to vote for people who won't step in".

LOL!

17 posted on 06/21/2006 4:47:01 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem; Gabz; You Dirty Rats

Don't worry about the Cincy Post, no one is reading it anyway :)


18 posted on 06/21/2006 4:48:00 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq - Foreman of the NAU)
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To: CenturionM
You are free to do as you like as long as the risk you take is not shared with me. With modern medical insurance that can never be the case. The costs for the injuries you sustain from your risky behavior are added to my medical insurance premiums. That gives me the right to have something to say about your risky behavior.

Let's let the free market take control. As the poster upthread said, let's give you a license to ride unhelmented but we'll also make sure your insurance company knows about it. Then you can pay the excess premium and not me.
19 posted on 06/21/2006 4:48:46 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

Just goes to show you that some of our greatest athletes are better off playing sports than using their heads in other areas. That's not to say all athletes are stupid. There are many very brilliant ones that end up even more successful after they retire than while they were playing. Not sure how bright Ben is though...


20 posted on 06/21/2006 4:51:44 PM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Put a mirror to the face of the republican party and all you'll see is a Donkey.)
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