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The Book Of Isaiah Under The Sands Of Egypt
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| 6-20-2006
Posted on 06/21/2006 5:10:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
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posted on
06/22/2006 8:02:28 AM PDT
by
Dustbunny
(Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
To: blam
Thanks for a fascinating post. Gee--I'd like to see pictures of those decorated pages!!
22
posted on
06/22/2006 8:14:24 AM PDT
by
Mamzelle
To: SunkenCiv
Uh, read the article. It's Coptic.
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posted on
06/22/2006 8:27:51 AM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: Alas Babylon!
I didn't say the Copts were Muslims. And yes, they have suffered in dhimmitude under the Muslims for 1300+ years.
24
posted on
06/22/2006 8:29:55 AM PDT
by
Captain Rhino
( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
To: A.J.Armitage
Uh, read his post, which is what the comment was on.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653370/posts?page=13#13
"Agreed. In addition, there were the recently acknowledged efforts of the copyists in Irish monasteries. And let's not forget the literally unknown treasures that have quietly deteriorating into mold and dust during centuries of storage in the oft flooded basements of Venice. However, the efforts of Muslim copists should be acknowledged as a major link in the transmission of these works through history."
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posted on
06/22/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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posted on
06/22/2006 8:37:27 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
To: SunkenCiv
Uh, "Muslim copyist" says Muslim, and Copts (copying Coptics included) aren't Muslim.
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posted on
06/22/2006 9:27:28 PM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: Captain Rhino
I seem to recall that is was the "preservationist" Muslims who ransacked and burned the fabled library of Alexandria. But, I could be wrong; maybe is was Catholic leprechauns.
28
posted on
06/22/2006 9:34:25 PM PDT
by
Thommas
(The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
To: Thommas
This should read..
I seem to recall that it was the "preservationist" Muslims who ransacked and burned the fabled library of Alexandria. But, I could be wrong; maybe is was Catholic leprechauns.
There, better.
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posted on
06/22/2006 9:39:00 PM PDT
by
Thommas
(The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
To: Thommas
>"I seem to recall that it was the "preservationist" Muslims who ransacked and burned the fabled library of Alexandria. But, I could be wrong; maybe is was Catholic leprechauns"Or was it Lesbian Episcopalian Women Priests? Oh that's right Leprechauns aren't real!!
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posted on
06/22/2006 9:53:44 PM PDT
by
rawcatslyentist
(I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl!)
To: A.J.Armitage
That's nice, but not relevant. Here's what Cap'n Rhino responded to, from Knitting a Conundrum:
Many of those same works were still available in Greek in Constantinople and its lands...they did not go through the dark age there...there is a complicated interplay of information and ideas that went on in the eastern Mediterranean...and lots of trade.
"many of those same works" -- not Coptic versions of Scripture.
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posted on
06/22/2006 10:39:26 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
To: Thommas
You may wsh to refresh your recollection on this incident. Here is a link that will help:
http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm
You will note that the Muslims are very late participants in this - if they participated at all. Muslim groups certainly can and should have accusations of cultural outrage placed at their feet when they occur (the latest being the destruction of the giant statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan by the Taliban).
As I noted in my original post, there are simultaneously in every culture individuals that value art and literature and those that don't. It is usually the latter that bear the sword of conquest and destruction. The fact that the accusation of this behavior can be made at one time or another against every powerful group is simply to acknowledge that the predilection toward coarseness and wanton destruction is a common trait within humanity. However, truth requires that the opposite be acknowledged where it exists. I close by noting that museum staffs (most likely entirely Muslim) in Baghdad and Kabul were both instrumental in preserving (as best they could given the circumstances) the collections in their charge from pillage and destruction at the hands of fellow Muslims.
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posted on
06/23/2006 3:40:54 AM PDT
by
Captain Rhino
( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
To: Knitting A Conundrum
Just a note to say thanks for taking the time to look up and post this information.
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posted on
06/23/2006 8:26:50 AM PDT
by
Captain Rhino
( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
To: Captain Rhino
I was a medievalist in a former phase of my life...
Unfortunately for the Islamic world (from our POV), that was pretty much the high point of Islamic scientific culture...by the 14th century, men like Avicenna and Averroes were not to be seen, as the emphasis of the Islamic world view shifted into a mode that took them away from that.
For those who want to catch a glimpse of things in a fictionalized format, (biased a bit against the 12th century church hierarchy and seen through 20th century eyes) read Louis Lamour's the Walking Drum.
But it is something to realize, that the same approach (and burning intensity) that the Old Man of the Mountain used with his band of Assassins against the crusaders, is very similar to those Al Qada and company.
Nothing much new under the sun...
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posted on
06/23/2006 8:45:51 AM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: SunkenCiv
Trace it back even further: "All of North Africa was once civilized, before the Muslims took over." Then the argument was over Muslims preserving texts -- which is "nice, but not relevent" because Copts are not Muslims.
"many of those same works" -- not Coptic versions of Scripture.
Well then, Constantinople didn't have any of those same works. The works in question, after all, were Arabic versions of the classics, but Constantinople merely had the Greek versions, as they did with Scripture.
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posted on
06/24/2006 8:40:46 AM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: A.J.Armitage
He wasn't talking about the Book of Isaiah, or any other Scripture:
In addition, a great deal of what are regarded as classics of Greek and Roman civilization were preserved because they were translated into Arabic by medieval Muslim scholars eager to preserve ancient knowledge. Later, during the Renaissance, they were available so they could be translated back into Greek and Latin by European scholars.
See also the link in message 26.
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posted on
06/24/2006 8:47:45 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
To: SunkenCiv
He wasn't talking about the Book of Isaiah, or any other ScriptureAs I recall, you brought up about Coptic versions of Scripture. Hence my comment.
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posted on
06/24/2006 8:34:25 PM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
To: A.J.Armitage
That is, in #31, not the article.
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posted on
06/24/2006 8:36:08 PM PDT
by
A.J.Armitage
(http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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