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This is the liberal response to the WMD find: "Santorum recycles bogus Iraq WMD claims"
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Posted on 06/22/2006 4:50:29 AM PDT by ChrisFelice1

Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum has been making the rounds claiming that the US has in fact discovered banned weapons in Iraq. The claims are based on the continuing sporadic appearance of pre-Gulf War I munitions containing variously disintegrated chemical weapons, and the Pentagon has said that the claims are crap: the munitions in question, mostly artillery rounds, are unusable and have been for years...

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To: ChrisFelice1

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Mr. Common Sense.

Mr. Sense had been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such value lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm
and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn)and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge).

His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. - Reports of a six -year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Mr. Sense declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student; but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge financial settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is
survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.


61 posted on 06/22/2006 5:36:24 AM PDT by croak
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To: Mr. Jeeves

It may be that Bush won't be able to squash discussion of WMD evidence. If Democrats think he's 'lying or hiding' something, they'll find a way to use it. Domestic political heat over illegal immigrants, broken borders, and fighting a PC war in Iraq with two Marines butchered and others charged with murder. None of this is pretty. Bush isn't running again, but you'd think he'd have a care for republicans who are.


62 posted on 06/22/2006 5:37:00 AM PDT by hershey
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To: All

Here's Santorum's interview with Hugh Hewitt:

HH: Now of these 500 shells that they have recovered, Senator Santorum, does the document, the unclassified version, tell you in how many batches they were discovered? Was it one? Was it 50 of 100, or one of 500?

RS: You know, I can't talk about what additionally it tells you. All I can tell you is there have been published reports on blog sites about this report...and the published reports say that 75% of these 500 or so weapons were in fact FILLED and USABLE, and VERY DANGEROUS for the...if got to improper hands.


63 posted on 06/22/2006 5:37:22 AM PDT by ChrisFelice1
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To: joshhiggins

I'm afraid i think it's too early to get excited about this. Only one page of the report has been declassified by Negroponte, and that doesn't give us anything to base our case for invading on.


64 posted on 06/22/2006 5:37:47 AM PDT by treverburton
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To: The G Man

That's the head KOmmie??? He'd certainly be able to rummage through a purse in New York without being questioned by the cops!


65 posted on 06/22/2006 5:38:20 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: hershey
Santorum said many more WMD sites had been found, but were still 'classified'. The problem seems to be that the admin. thinks they've moved on, that WMD's was an argument they didn't win, so why revisit it despite the fact that they have proof the weapons were there in numbers. Insane.

I refuse to believe this administration is that stupid. Surely Karl Rove is going to make certain that more and more information continues to "leak" out, making the dems go further and further out on that thin limb with more whacked out arguments and untruths.

I predict that limb will snap and they'll all come tumbling down right around election time.

66 posted on 06/22/2006 5:38:31 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: ChrisFelice1

Do we have links to any of these blogs that Santorum suggests we look at (reading between his lines-very clever)?


67 posted on 06/22/2006 5:40:18 AM PDT by treverburton
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To: treverburton
This was the liberal response two years ago over ONE such missile, note how it is implied that if large quantities like 500 were found it would be significant. We know this isn't going anywhere because the liberals hate Bush too much to let them see the truth. However, it doesn't mean we cannot discuss it and reinforce for ourselves that libs are delusional.


Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq

Monday , May 17, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent (search) recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday.

Bush administration officials told Fox News that mustard gas (search) was also recently discovered.

Two people were treated for "minor exposure" after the sarin incident but no serious injuries were reported. Soldiers transporting the shell for inspection suffered symptoms consistent with low-level chemical exposure, which is what led to the discovery, a U.S. official told Fox News.

"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt (search), the chief military spokesman in Iraq, told reporters in Baghdad. "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy."

The round detonated before it would be rendered inoperable, Kimmitt said, which caused a "very small dispersal of agent."

However, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the results were from a field test, which can be imperfect, and said more analysis was needed. If confirmed, it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war.

Click to Read the Weapons of Mass Destruction Handbook

A senior Bush administration official told Fox News that the sarin gas shell is the second chemical weapon discovered recently.

Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED. Tests conducted by the Iraqi Survey Group (search) — a U.S. organization searching for weapons of mass destruction — and others concluded the mustard gas was "stored improperly," which made the gas "ineffective."

They believe the mustard gas shell may have been one of 550 projectiles for which former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein failed to account when he made his weapons declaration shortly before Operation Iraqi Freedom began last year. Iraq also failed to then account for 450 aerial bombs with mustard gas. That, combined with the shells, totaled about 80 tons of unaccounted for mustard gas.

It also appears some top Pentagon officials were surprised by the sarin news; they thought the matter was classified, administration officials told Fox News.

An official at the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) headquarters in New York said the commission is surprised to hear news of the mustard gas.

"If that's the case, why didn't they announce it earlier?" the official asked.

The UNMOVIC official said the group needs to know more from the Bush administration before it's possible to determine if this is "old or new stuff. It is known that Iraq used sarin during the Iraq-Iran war, however.

Kimmitt said the shell belonged to a class of ordnance that Saddam's government said was destroyed before the 1991 Gulf war (search). Experts believe both the sarin and mustard gas weapons date back to that time.

"It was a weapon that we believe was stocked from the ex-regime time and it had been thought to be an ordinary artillery shell set up to explode like an ordinary IED and basically from the detection of that and when it exploded, it indicated that it actually had some sarin in it," Kimmitt said.

The incident occurred "a couple of days ago," he added. The discovery reportedly occurred near Baghdad International Airport.

Washington officials say the significance of the find is that some chemical shells do still exist in Iraq, and it's thought that fighters there may be upping their attacks on U.S. forces by using such weapons.

The round was an old "binary-type" shell in which two chemicals held in separate sections are mixed after firing to produce sarin, Kimmitt said.

He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited.

The shell had no markings. It appears the binary sarin agents didn't mix, which is why there weren't serious injuries from the initial explosion, a U.S. official told Fox News.

"Everybody knew Saddam had chemical weapons, the question was, where did they go. Unfortunately, everybody jumped on the offramp and said 'well, because we didn't find them, he didn't have them,'" said Fox News military analyst Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney.

"I doubt if it's the tip of the iceberg but it does confirm what we've known ... that he [Saddam] had weapons of mass destruction that he used on his own people," Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, told Fox News. "This does show that the fear we had is very real. Now whether there is much more of this we don't know, Iraq is the size of the state of California."

But there were more reasons than weapons to get rid of Saddam, he added. "We considered Saddam Hussein a threat not just because of weapons of mass destruction," Grassley said.

Iraqi Scientist: You Will Find More

Gazi George, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist under Saddam's regime, told Fox News he believes many similar weapons stockpiled by the former regime were either buried underground or transported to Syria. He noted that the airport where the device was detonated is on the way to Baghdad from the Syrian border.

George said the finding likely will be the first in a series of discoveries of such weapons.

"Saddam is the type who will not store those materials in a military warehouse. He's gonna store them either underground, or, as I said, lots of them have gone west to Syria and are being brought back with the insurgencies," George told Fox News. "It is difficult to look in areas that are not obvious to the military's eyes.

"I'm sure they're going to find more once time passes," he continued, saying one year is not enough for the survey group or the military to find the weapons.

Saddam, when he was in power, had declared that he did in fact possess mustard-gas filled artilleries but none that included sarin.

"I think what we found today, the sarin in some ways, although it's a nerve gas, it's a lucky situation sarin detonated in the way it did ... it's not as dangerous as the cocktails Saddam used to make, mixing blister" agents with other gases and substances, George said.

Officials: Discovery Is 'Significant'

U.S. officials told Fox News that the shell discovery is a "significant" event.

Artillery shells of the 155-mm size are as big as it gets when it comes to the ordnance lobbed by infantry-based artillery units. The 155 howitzer can launch high capacity shells over several miles; current models used by the United States can fire shells as far as 14 miles. One official told Fox News that a conventional 155-mm shell could hold as much as "two to five" liters of sarin, which is capable of killing thousands of people under the right conditions in highly populated areas.

The Iraqis were very capable of producing such shells in the 1980s but it's not as clear that they continued after the first Gulf War.

In 1995, Japan's Aum Shinrikyo (search) cult unleashed sarin gas in Tokyo's subways, killing 12 people and sickening thousands. In February of this year, Japanese courts convicted the cult's former leader, Shoko Asahara, and sentence him to be executed.

Developed in the mid-1930s by Nazi scientists, a single drop of sarin can cause quick, agonizing choking death. There are no known instances of the Nazis actually using the gas.

Nerve gases work by inhibiting key enzymes in the nervous system, blocking their transmission. Small exposures can be treated with antidotes, if administered quickly.

Antidotes to nerve gases similar to sarin are so effective that top poison gas researchers predict they eventually will cease to be a war threat.

Fox News' Wendell Goler, Steve Harrigan, Ian McCaleb, Liza Porteus, James Rosen and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
68 posted on 06/22/2006 5:40:27 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: ChrisFelice1

I knew this would be the response. What's inconvenient for the democrats, and nobody talks about this, is that Richard Clarke and David Kay testified under oath that Saddam was 12 to 18 months away from having a nuclear weapon. Well, not anymore.:o) And all I can say is thank you President Bush.


69 posted on 06/22/2006 5:41:00 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: weldon berger

"$6 billion in direct costs, five dead soldiers and 40 wounded, not to mention hundreds of dead Iraqis, for each unusable round. Heckuva job, George."

And not a single terrorist attack on US soil. Of course, that doesn't fit your agenda tho'. Carry on nothing to see here....


70 posted on 06/22/2006 5:41:14 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: treverburton

Here's the entire interview...check it out: http://www.radioblogger.com/#001709


71 posted on 06/22/2006 5:41:21 AM PDT by ChrisFelice1
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To: ChrisFelice1
The MSM is going to say: this is all a political stunt from Santorum because his poll numbers are down...and he's trying to resurrect himself with this "OLD FIND". Just wait and see...

They may say just that, but don't disregard the possibility that this administration is giving Santorum's campaign a much needed boost. I smell Karl Rove and a delicious rope-a-dem/dope. See my post #66.

72 posted on 06/22/2006 5:43:21 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

I wonder if you would like to put that theory to test? How about using your wife and kids as test subjects. Better yet, let's just give the bad guys the equipment that was used to make this stuff, equipment which has been found all over Iraq, and not worry about these "how much of a threat were they really" weapons.

Predisposition, ability, and intent were all present in pre-invasion Iraq, how hard is that to understand?

73 posted on 06/22/2006 5:43:52 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: The G Man; newconhere
Who is the lady in the second row second picture? Do not recognize her.

Heh, heh ... that's Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, founder of "The Daily Kos" website.


That's some name. May she forever be unrecognized.
74 posted on 06/22/2006 5:45:49 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: LIConFem
Denial: It's not just a river in Egypt anymore.

I may have to umm..borrow that sometime for a tagline. How much will you charge me for using it? :)
76 posted on 06/22/2006 5:48:44 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: rhombus
I believe finding these weapons was the exact purpose of the UN sanctions. Old or not, the existence of these weapons is a violation of the UN mandates. They don't get a pass because these weapons were "old".

I agree. Yesterday three different liberal talking heads all used the same line: "These are not the weapons the administration said we were looking for."

My question is: Then tell me what weapons we were looking for. Do they have particular serial numbers or something. I really don't recall anyone in the administration saying exactly what weapons we were after.  We still have Mk-62 warheads on top of our ICBMs and I was working on them in the early 70s'. 

Does anyone have a link or even remember anyone saying that Hussein had 500 or more of these WMDs but they are too old to be useful?

The point is, no one had any knowledge that Hussein just threw these things out in the fields to bake in the sun, but this whole flap does gives us valuable insight into the minds of liberals and how their brains work, or rather don't work.

 

 

77 posted on 06/22/2006 5:50:04 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
They were so degraded that they were inert...

I dare you to take a hammer and beat one till it leaks. Just don't do it in my neighborhood.

78 posted on 06/22/2006 5:51:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: ChrisFelice1

Here is how the liberals are responding to the announcement of the discovery of WMDs in Iraq. They are using quotes from FOX News Chanel's Jim Angle, to discredit the announcement:
"Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”

The liberals then say they are degraded weapons and are no threat, so they really aren't WMDs.

My responses is that the reason fro the UN Sanctions were to find and destroy all of Iraq's WMDs and the onus was on Iraq to do so. 500 degraded shells filled with nerve agents are still extremely lethal from all I have read and heard. It would be great to hear from someone who can verify this.


79 posted on 06/22/2006 5:51:12 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: Turbo Pig

See 68 above


The round was an old "binary-type" shell in which two chemicals held in separate sections are mixed after firing to produce sarin, Kimmitt said.

He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited.

The shell had no markings. It appears the binary sarin agents didn't mix, which is why there weren't serious injuries from the initial explosion, a U.S. official told Fox News.


80 posted on 06/22/2006 5:52:49 AM PDT by Raycpa
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