Feds: Home-Grown Terror Plot Foiled (LINK TO FEDERAL INDICTMENT DOCUMENT)

CBS NEWS ^

[markedmannerf]

A group of young men seized in a Miami warehouse have been charged in a federal indictment with conspiring with al Qaeda to commit acts of violence in the United States, including blowing up Chicago's Sears Tower.

The seven individuals indicted by a federal grand jury were taken into custody Thursday when authorities swarmed the warehouse in the Liberty City area, removing a metal door with a blow torch. The indictment also alleges plans to blow a federal building in Miami in conjunction with the al Qaeda terrorist network.

According to the indictment handed up Thursday, a young man identified as Narseal Batiste, beginning in November 2005, recruited and trained the others "for a mission to wage war against the United States government," including a plot to destroy the Sears Tower.

[TomGuy]

because they're black

Yeh, it shatters the image they've tried to build over the years. Remember when Chief Moose just couldn't bring himself to look for 2 Black guys? Remember how the MSM were reporting that the 'Black community' just simply did not produce serial killers [oppps, until 2 got captured for serial killing in the Washington, DC area].

This is really going to upset the MSM/Liberal establishment mantra.

[GrandEagle]

As times change, enemy tactics change and must by necessity be met with different approaches.
I completely disagree. People blew up things back then. Folks conspired to do what we would call terrorist events back then also.

What the "Department of homeland security", much like the Gestapo and the KGB, wanted is for you to believe that these "men" couldn't have been caught without us relinquishing our freedom. In doing so, we have handed the enemy the victory on a silver platter.

If what you are saying is that the time when men can enjoy liberty is over, then I would rather go down fighting an enemy that I know, rather than having to live being a subject to an oll powerful government
It is not a popular opinion around here I know, but throughout history there has never been a government with total power where the people didn't suffer greatly. Never.

Cordially,
GE

[GrandEagle]

Just sounds like war to me. It is regrettable, but it happens when your enemy hides in with the civilian population and the civilians won't help find them.

GE

[Bigh4u2]

C'mon now.

You want the MSM to be FAIR??

How insenitive of you!/sarc

:0)

[Neoliberalnot]

I don't fully discount your comments and clearly am sympathetic with your concerns. I do think though that an enemy that choses to avoid engagement with the military, hides behind women and children, attacks soft targets manned by civilians, requires a change in tactics. I would also mention that much of the same tactics by the NSA were also used in WWII and other wars--it is not a novel approach.

We share much common ground and I would undoubtedly be your ally in a confrontation with tyranny.

[Starboard]

The muslum converts in our prisons are more racist than the KKK but it's never talked about because they're black.

Very good point.

[TomGuy]

AG Gonzales just made an interesting statement:

Two of the 7 were NOT American citizens. One was from Haiti and he didn't have immediate info on the the other.


Wonder is their 'legal' status will be revealed -- are they here on legal visas or are they here illegally?

[GrandEagle]

I would also mention that much of the same tactics by the NSA were also used in WWII and other wars--it is not a novel approach.
To some extent, very true. I see a dangerous shift to everything being federal now. Not Federal agents working with locals.
What is also worrisome to me is the general feeling that if you disagree with the "government" on the tactics used, then somehow you have become an enemy of our Nation.
This is a typical thing for governments, but it is very troublesome when the general population begins to take this thought line.
Although I've not studied it in depth, I doubt seriously if even in WWII the federal agents operated with total immunity, answerable only to themselves.

I thank you for your thoughtful response. It is reassuring that there are those who, while I disagree with their view, they are still watching very close.

Cordially,
GE

[Republican Red]

This is the shameful result of spying on people. How dishonorable of the NSA adminstration and President Bush for spying without public consent or knowledge. Ted Kennedy and Ranger Reid were not even informed. Shameful I say, outrageously shameful. Is this a call for impeachment? Signed,

The Sniveling Liberals, Dummies, and the Daily Kostapo membership.

You forgot the most important factor in this arrest - it's racist.

[Element187]

Home grown? Al-Qaeda is now considered home grown?

[Neoliberalnot]

My error. I have not come to fully think in the perverted fashion of the sniveling liberal and the race-baiting approach they use as a political sledgehammer was erroneouly omitted.

[El Gato]

Bastards, the MSM must die.

They are dying. The Death of a Thousand Cuts. Ask Dan Rather Biased.

[El Gato]

What the "Department of homeland security", much like the Gestapo and the KGB, wanted is for you to believe that these "men" couldn't have been caught without us relinquishing our freedom. In doing so, we have handed the enemy the victory on a silver platter.

You don't know that these folks telephones were ever bugged. If they called al Qaida operatives outside the country, that would have allowed those conversations to be recorded. However that could be used as a "lead", but evidence obtained directly from the calls could not, as I understand it, be used in their indictment and subsequent trial.

Everyone is jumping to conclusions as to how these guys were exposed. Could just as easily have been a tip from one of the brothers or sisters, who decided they wanted nothing to do with blowing up buildings. Or it could have been a tip from a two bit whore, of which there are plenty in that "community" and in Liberty City.

[GrandEagle]

We meet again my FRiend :)
You are correct, it could have been anything that ended up with their arrest. I don't know; but what I do know is that I am constantly being told that I must give up my Freedom and Liberty of that an LE agency that answers to no one can do their job.
It is prime for abuse. This is the same exact logic used in by the governments of China, the USSR, and other opressive governments to justify their actions. We are not "protecting" our freedom, we are willingly relenguishing it. I object to the total loss of privacy.

As we have discussed before, I could give two hoots and a holler what is tapped, monitored, gathered, "data mined", stopped, searched, or any other thing, when it is coming and going from our Nation to another. That is wise and prudent, and also for that to be used to get a warrant and search for things inside this country - wise and prudent.

Anyway, Got to run for lunch,

have a great day,

GE

I'll check back in when I return.

(smiling) we always seem to clash on this one, don't we?