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Large-Scale, Cheap Solar Electricity
Technology Review ^ | June 23, 2006 | Kevin Bullis

Posted on 06/24/2006 11:19:37 AM PDT by Abathar

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Solar power will never work on a large scale. "

"[W]hen the Paris Exhibition closes electric light will close with it and no more be heard of."
- Erasmus Wilson (1878) Professor at Oxford University

"This `telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a practical form of communication.
The device is inherently of no value to us."
- Western Union internal memo, 1878

"Radio has no future."
- Lord Kelvin (1824-1907), British mathematician and physicist, ca. 1897.

"Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia."
- Dr. Dionysus Lardner (1793-1859), Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy at University College, London.


INFORMATION FOR SKEPTICS

41 posted on 06/24/2006 12:17:00 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Abathar
True, but what about those of use who live in Michigan? Almost useless there several months out of the year...

You still have daylight don't you? Solar power does not require a bright, shiny day.

42 posted on 06/24/2006 12:17:09 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Rockingham

Or what about that stuff you spray on your shower to keep water spots and soap stains away...


43 posted on 06/24/2006 12:17:24 PM PDT by CertainInalienableRights
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To: Abathar

bttt


44 posted on 06/24/2006 12:17:43 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: BlueDragon

Kewl!

And it has an inverted meniscus like mercury.


ummmm... what can I do with gallium? Am I going to start getting spam about how this will help me satisfy a woman?


45 posted on 06/24/2006 12:18:52 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: operation clinton cleanup
You still have daylight don't you? Solar power does not require a bright, shiny day.

Winter in Michigan would be problematic. However if the solar isn't expected to be a end all solution and people can afford to try it, I say "go fer it". I've got several solar charged flashlights, radios, and yard lights that work great.
46 posted on 06/24/2006 12:23:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: BlueDragon

Very cool link ... thank you.


47 posted on 06/24/2006 12:25:07 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Abathar

Interesting. I wish them good luck.


48 posted on 06/24/2006 12:31:40 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: MineralMan
Which of their claims do you doubt?

This one

"announced plans to build a production facility with the capacity to make enough solar cells annually to generate 430 megawatts."

Capacity is a weasel word used to prop up their numbers, capacity means yeah sure it will produce 430 megawatts if the earth stops rotating and the sun stays overhead 24-7-365

Typically solar falls below 25% of it's Capacity so we are really talking about 108 megawatts at most, the reality being much less.

Meanwhile, The Palo-Verde Nuclear power plant actually produces 3254 megawatts, so you would need a solar farm over 30x the size just to match one nuclear power plant.

In 1989 solar produced 0.011% of the USA's electricty, since then, even with all the billions in tax breaks, subsidies and grants spent on solar power 17 years later in 2004 it only produced 0.017%. Solar is a waste of time, it's a feel good measure that only makes a completely trivial contribution to addressing our electrical needs.

49 posted on 06/24/2006 12:31:52 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: cripplecreek
Solar roofing material may not be the final answer, but it couldn't hurt! I am thinking of investing some of my hard earned money in some of these companies.
50 posted on 06/24/2006 12:32:38 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: qam1

"Capacity is a weasel word used to prop up their numbers, capacity means yeah sure it will produce 430 megawatts if the earth stops rotating and the sun stays overhead 24-7-365"

They're not talking about a single unit producing 430 megawatts. They're talking about the total of a lot of smaller units doing it. Think about it.


51 posted on 06/24/2006 12:34:22 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed, may they make rapid progess. It will be a good thing for this country.


52 posted on 06/24/2006 12:34:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: realpatriot
IMO, it is the batteries that are the weak link.

Certainly, if you wanted to go 100% solar.

But these things would still be great simply as a source of energy for air conditioning. Something like 20% of the electric energy being used in the middle of the day is to power air conditioners.

Right now power plants must have inefficient, on-demand generators to supply the extra energy. That costs extra money.

But a field of solar panels would be coming on-line with the rising sun just as air-conditioners are coming on.

Economically this gives solar a big advantage since, in effect, solar power isn't competing with efficient coal-powered generation, but instead with inefficient back-up generators.

53 posted on 06/24/2006 12:35:27 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: knarf

And then there is some company that puts a special film on windows that will create electricity for buildings, etc.


54 posted on 06/24/2006 12:37:32 PM PDT by YepYep
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To: Abathar
I hope it takes off. What it means is a home in California or Florida could be converted to run on solar energy and the investment in an upgrade would be paid back sooner. No more utility company bills!

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

55 posted on 06/24/2006 12:38:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BlueDragon

Yeah It will melt in your hand, but unlike mercury it's kind sticky.


56 posted on 06/24/2006 12:40:57 PM PDT by null and void ("Propaganda by blackout" - longtermmemmory, 6/21/06)
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To: cripplecreek
Seiko and Citizen produce watches that run on solar energy. The future is here now - inexpensively. If large scale solar electricity can be realized, parts of the U.S could be taken off the electric grid altogether. Its worth waiting for it to happen.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

57 posted on 06/24/2006 12:43:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Abathar
True, but what about those of use who live in Michigan? Almost useless there several months out of the year...

Your buddys in Texas are driving Detroits SUV's at a frantic rate as to speed up the global warming cycle! Doing our part to pollute more so you can enjoy the suns incinerating rays!

58 posted on 06/24/2006 12:44:54 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Abathar
Megawatts = zero

$ per watt = business

How many $ per watt? $5 has been the going rate for the past two decades.

59 posted on 06/24/2006 12:47:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: goldstategop
No more utility company bills!

The electrical part of my PG&E bill is $4.88 this month.

If the legislature would pass enabling laws my inverter would support 2 more arrays, and I'd be getting money from PG&E.

No point in paying for them now. By law any "excess" energy I could generate would be a gift to PG&E!

60 posted on 06/24/2006 12:47:56 PM PDT by null and void ("Propaganda by blackout" - longtermmemmory, 6/21/06)
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