"Climate Catastrophe Cancelled: What You're Not Being Told About the Science of Climate Change"

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[AndyTheBear]

In the last decades, sunspot activity has remained stable, and warming due to emissions have increased.

You seem to use the phrase "warming due to emissions" as both evidence and conclusion.

Moreover your argument in this thread implies several premises that seem dubious, including:

1) Number of sun spots is closely proportional to solar output.

2) The global temperature of the Earth is well defined and consistently measured over the past 100 years or so.

3) The temperature graph you supplied is based on the best of these measurements available, and not just chosen to be most supportive of global warming (it wouldn't be derived from "Mann's hockey-stick" would it?)

4) The level of CO2 and sun spots are the only significant players in the scope of the graph shown, i.e. there are no signifigant confounding factors.

[TypeZoNegative]

They taste good in but they're hell coming out.

[peeps36]

The truth does seem like an inconvenience for Al The Inventor Gore.

[Swordmaker]

When I was in college in the early 1970s, I was taking a senior honors class in the newly "popular" science of ecology... the thrust of the class was the disturbing global cooling. The title of the honors class was "Global Cooling and the Coming Ice Age." EVerything taught in that class assumed that the pollution produced by humankind (specifically American humankind) was going to cause the planet to experience another ice age that would last for 10,000 years.

Look at your chart which is obviously based on the discredited "hockey stick" projections... Like the hockey stick, this chart is NOT science... it is speculation. Instead of being a forward projection of false assumptions, it is merely a backwards projection of similarly false assumptions.

The creators of this fiction even TELL you that is what it is... What part of "Reconstructed irradiance" do you fail to understand? The fact is that NO ONE was measuring the Watts per Meter² from 1860 through 1960.... that was something we started doing in the Geophysical year in 19556-1957. EVERYTHING before then is a guess based on a very short baseline between when we first started making the measurement and about 1980 when someone decided the declining temperatures of the last 20 years were going up again... and they had to change their scare stories.

The mere coincidence of the fairly steady minor decline in the measured surface irradiance and the completely UNSTEADY variations but averaging flat to slight decline in temperature (Measured where?) during that period gave rise to the hypothesis that there was a causal relationship. They then used the "effect" (change in temperature) to "reconstruct" what they assumed the "cause" (Surface Irradiance) would have been in the past WITH NO CONFIRMING DATA!

Gee, it looks like you've been Zotted while I was preparing this response...

[Swordmaker]

4) The level of CO2 and sun spots are the only significant players in the scope of the graph shown, i.e. there are no signifigant confounding factors.

See my commentary on the "chart" above...

Looks like Sux got himself sucked out of FR...

[GregoryFul]

3) The temperature graph you supplied is based on the best of these measurements available, and not just chosen to be most supportive of global warming (it wouldn't be derived from "Mann's hockey-stick" would it?)

The surface temperature records are made up of lots of speculation and estimation. Urban warming effect in land records, for instance, is often corrected for by linear regression referenced to area population - pure speculation. But acceptable by those who do their PC peer review - but clearly flawed. Consider the variables: increased energy use in the urban area, air conditioning, cars, heating, elevators, lighting, heat absorbing materials, suburban workforce, higher employee efficiency, etc., etc.

I've noticed that local weather reports often have my nearby city 5 degrees F warmer than my surroundings. Apply that to the temperature records, and you might find global cooling!

[Swordmaker]

Consider the variables: increased energy use in the urban area, air conditioning, cars, heating, elevators, lighting, heat absorbing materials, suburban workforce, higher employee efficiency, etc., etc. I've noticed that local weather reports often have my nearby city 5 degrees F warmer than my surroundings. Apply that to the temperature records, and you might find global cooling!

Most "official" weather stations are located at airports or in the center of downtowns in major cities... surrounded by lots of concrete, i.e. major heat absorbers and retainers... as well as heat engines in airconditioners. Discount those from any "warming" scenarios and look at data from only rural sources and the findings are very different: any "warming" trend disappears.

[Pikachu_Dad]

Don't know.

Perhaps she is talking about giant space rocks...

[Pikachu_Dad]

In the last decades, sunspot activity has remained stable, and warming due to emissions have increased. Huh? There is an 11 year cycle on sunspot activity. What was she talking about?

Here is NASA's view.

[Pikachu_Dad]

Don't worry, Al will stop manbearpig.

img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Manbearpig1.jpg">

[BIGLOOK]

One must understand the proponents of 'Global Warning'. The climate, like their social policies, ought to be static. Their science is nuanced, selective and manipulative. Their logic is scatological.


Whew! Glad to get that out. I'm going to have a beer.....it's a beautiful day!

[Pikachu_Dad]

but kind of hot... you know, its been getting hotter all day. Must be global warming.

[BIGLOOK]

I fear it'll be hotter in July......it was last year. Come to think of it, it's been hot in July and August every year of my life.......sometimes September too, in Indian summers.

When I went to grade school and all the way to high school, schools weren't air conditioned. It was hot in September and pretty warm in June. Once school let out in June, suddenly the weather was just fine. Kids sitting in an air conditioned classroom listening to bilge about 'Global Warming' are the targets of the 'climate clowns'. They just don't have enough summertime experiences.

'Global Warming ' is bogus. Climate change is normal. Climate, weather is a complex system, constantly changing and constantly in the news.The birds are chirping outside and the mongoose is cruising around without a care. So am I.