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The Religion of Peace? (Abrogation Alert)
Front Page Magazine ^ | 06/28/06 | Dr. Andrew Bostom

Posted on 06/28/2006 6:00:05 AM PDT by bornacatholic

During the discussion period after a recent talk by the courageous secular Muslim “apostate” Wafa Sultan, Judea Pearl, father of slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl (who was barbarously murdered by pious Muslim terrorists), alluded to the Koran’s “verses of peace”—which certain votaries of Islam uphold as the religion's exclusive legacy. According to an observer at the event, Judea Pearl derided Ms. Sultan’s critical view of Islam by further contending that the Koran's bellicose and brutal verses were mere “cultural baggage”, akin to “similar” pronouncements in the Old Testament. The comparison was naïve, if not absurd.

Naïve because the Koran’s “verses of peace”, frequently cited by both Muslim and non-Muslim apologists, most notably verse 2:256, “There is no compulsion in religion”, were all abrogated by the so-called verses of the sword. These abrogating verses of the sword recommend beheading or otherwise murdering and mutilating non-Muslims, and Muslim apostates. According to classical Muslim Koranic commentators verse 9:5 (perhaps the most infamous verse of the sword), “Slay the idolators wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…”, for example, cancels 124 verses that promote patience and toleration.

The sacralized Islamic sources indicate that as the Muslim prophet Muhammad accrued political and military power, he evolved from a proselytizer and persuader, to a warrior (i.e., a prototype jihadist; see: The Prophet Muhammad as a Jihad Model), and dictatorial legislator. Thus the sword and other similar Koranic verses—as per the linkage between Muhammad’s biography and the Koranic narrative—capture the Muslim prophet at his most dogmatic, belligerent, and intolerant. Muslims are enjoined to fight and murder nonbelievers—woe unto those who shirk these campaigns—but those who are killed fighting for the one true religion, i.e., Islam, will be rewarded amply in the afterlife. A sampling of such verses, which established these eternal injunctions, are included below:

47:4: “Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds”

9:29: “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

4:76: “Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.”

8:12: “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”

8:38-39: “Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.”

9:39: “If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.”

4:74: “Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.”

9:111: “Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.”

As Ibn Warraq notes, aptly (p.69):

…“tolerance” has been abrogated by “intolerance”

And this doctrine of abrogation, necessitated by the many contradictions which abound in the Koran, originates as putatively taught by Muhammad, himself, at verse 2:106: “Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?” . This verse, in combination with verses* 16:101, 22:52, and 87:6, was elaborated into a formal system of abrogation (naskh in Arabic) by the greatest classical Muslim Koranic scholars and jurists, which entailed (p.72),

…the suppression of a ruling without the suppression of the wording. That is to say, the earlier ruling is still to be found in the Koran, and is still to this day recited in worship, but it no longer has any legal force [emphasis added]

But it is only when viewed in the larger context of the uniquely Islamic institution of jihad war—which derives substantively from the abrogating Koranic sword verses—that Judea Pearl’s naïve equation to “similar” verses from the Old Testament, becomes entirely fatuous. From the bellicose verses in the Koran, expounded upon in the hadith (the words and deeds of Muhammad as recorded by pious Muslim transmitters), Muslim jurists and theologians formulated the Islamic institution of permanent jihad war against non-Muslims to bring the world under Islamic rule (Shari’a law).

Since its earliest inception, through the present, jihad has been central to the thought and writings of prominent Muslim theologians and jurists. The precepts and regulations elucidated in the 7th through 9th centuries are immutable in the Muslim theological-juridical system, and they have remained essentially unchallenged by the majority of contemporary Muslims. The jihad is intrinsic to the sacred Muslim texts, including the divine Koranic revelation—“the uncreated word of Allah”. The Old Testament sanctions the Israelites conquest of Canaan—a limited domain—it does not sanction a permanent war to submit all the nations of humanity to a uniform code of religious law. Similarly, the tactics of warfare are described in the Old Testament, unlike the Koran, in very circumscribed and specific contexts. Moreover, while the Old Testament clearly condemns certain inhumane practices of paganism, it never invoked an eternal war against all of the world’s pagan peoples.

Uninformed ecumenical zeal in search of a fantasy Islam yet to be created, does not excuse making intellectual, let alone moral equivalences, between the severely limited and contextualized war proclamations of the Old Testament, and the permanent proto-jihad war injunctions of the Koran. Staking out the presumptive “higher” moral ground by a thinly veiled (and ahistorical!) attack on a courageous secularist seeking profound, not cosmetic (and meaningless) changes in Islamdom, is unsavory and destructive, regardless of the misguided motivations.

* 16: 101: “And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say: You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know.”; 22:52: “And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet, but when he desired, the Shaitan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which the Shaitan casts, then does Allah establish His communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise”; 87:6: “By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget”

The discussion of abrogation/naskh draws heavily upon the insightful analysis, here pp. 67-75, of my courageous mentor and colleague Ibn Warraq.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: islam; islamicterrorism; jihad; koran; muhammad; muslims; quran; religionofpeace; rop; trop
Many of us are aware of the concept of abrogation in the Qu'ran but one can never receive too many reminders. We must be knowledgeable about the Qu'ran (Sira, Hadiths, also)if we are to make sound judgements about the nature of Islam and the threat it presents to Christians, Jews and all who love liberty
1 posted on 06/28/2006 6:00:08 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

(Sira, Hadiths, also)

the town named "Haditha".....are the residents and interlopers there especially big on the letter and spirit of Hadiths? (rhetorical question only)


2 posted on 06/28/2006 6:13:09 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: bornacatholic

"Judea Pearl derided Ms. Sultan’s critical view of Islam by further contending that the Koran's bellicose and brutal verses were mere “cultural baggage”, akin to “similar” pronouncements in the Old Testament."

Poor, deluded, self loathing liberal.
Technically, she may be correct. And Christians had their problems... history tells us this, just look at the Dark Ages. But Christians have emerged and matured.
So, if we ignore the differences in the religions, (a huge leap, given that Jesus is the Son of God, and had peace as his message, while mohammed is a prophet, a man, who had many flaws, and a documented violent streak. Jesus never killed men in front of their wives and daughters and then raped the women). Ok, so if we say, this is islam's Dark Ages, that means islam could take another 200 years to come out of this.
Can we afford to wait? Global travel is trivial now, in 1300 it was a big deal to go to the next town. I don't believe they had bomb vests in 1300. And I'm certain that there were no WMD, no nukes in 1300. The muslims are actively trying to acquire said WMD to be used on infidels.
The ignorance, and self destructive nature of liberals is unbelievable.


3 posted on 06/28/2006 6:17:48 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: bornacatholic

The key difference is that Islamic nations broadcast such calls for physical holy war, enslavement, etc. citing Koranic verse.

see this movie if and when you can:

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

Obsession: Islam's War Against The West

For Christians, there is a new covenant with God. And I don't see Jews calling for destruction of their enemies.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 6:19:30 AM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: bornacatholic

Islamists are also a threat to Hindus and Buddhists and war with them constantly.

It is a supremacist ideological system (all at once political, legal, and religious). It considers those of other faiths to be sub-human (deserving of fewer rights under the law, permissible to be be enslaved or killed).


5 posted on 06/28/2006 6:22:11 AM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: bornacatholic
For the first time since the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the US State Department has begun to sharply increase the number of entry visas granted to Saudi Arabian nationals seeking to visit the United States, The Jerusalem Post has learned. Figures obtained by the Post reveal that after three years of steady decline, 2005 saw the number of US visas issued to Saudis remain relatively stable, while this year the number has more than doubled.

In an e-mail to the Post, Amanda D. Rogers-Harper, a spokeswoman for the US State Department, confirmed that as of June 10, a total of 18,683 non-immigrant US visas had been issued to Saudi citizens since the start of the current fiscal year.

"This," she noted, "is twice as many as the 9,338 issuances to Saudis" in the corresponding period last year, marking an increase of over 100 percent in just the past 12 months.

*Does this make any sense considering the information generated by Freedom House?

REVISED SAUDI GOVERNMENT TEXTBOOKS STILL DEMONIZE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, NON-WAHHABI MUSLIMS AND OTHER "UNBELIEVERS"

May 23, 2006 -- Freedom House’s Center for Religious Freedom today released a report analyzing a set of Saudi Ministry of Education textbooks in use during the current academic year in Islamic studies courses for elementary and secondary students. The textbooks promote an ideology of hatred toward people, including Muslims, who do not subscribe to the Wahhabi sect of Islam.

The report, entitled Saudi Arabia’s Curriculum of Intolerance, was prepared by Freedom House’s Center for Religious Freedom in cooperation with the Institute for Gulf Affairs.

Freedom House analyzed a set of 12 current Saudi Ministry of Education religion textbooks, used in the current academic year in Saudi Arabia (and in Saudi run schools outside the Kingdom). These texts were collected by the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs from teachers, administrators and families with children in Saudi schools. Freedom House had them translated by two, independent Arabic speakers.

“What is being taught today in Saudi public school textbooks about how Muslims should relate to other religious communities will poison the minds of a new generation of Saudis,” said Nina Shea, Director of the Center for Religious Freedom and principal author of the report. “Whatever changes have been made in the Saudi educational system, clearly more needs to be done.”

The report’s findings contradict claims made repeatedly by senior Saudi government spokesmen that they have thoroughly revised their educational materials. Over a year ago, Saudi embassy spokesman Adel al-Jubeir stated: “We have reviewed our educational curriculums. We have removed materials that are inciteful or intolerant towards people of other faiths.” The new Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, while on a nation-wide speaking tour earlier this year, asserted: “We eliminated what might be perceived as intolerance from old textbooks that were in our system.” Just last week, on May 18, the Saudi Foreign Minister, Prince Saud Al-Faisal stated that “…the whole system of education is being transformed from top to bottom. Textbooks are only one of the steps that have been taken by Saudi Arabia.”

However, the report shows that these textbooks:

Condemn and denigrate the majority of Sunni Muslims who do not follow the Wahhabi understanding of Islam, and call them deviants and descendants of polytheists.

Condemn and denigrate Shiite and Sufi Muslims’ beliefs and practices as heretical and call them “polytheists;”

Command Muslims to “hate” hristians,Jews, “polytheists” and other “unbelievers,” including non-Wahhabi Muslims, though, incongruously, not to treat them “unjustly”;

Teach the infamous forgeries, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, as historical fact;

Teach other conspiracy theories accusing Freemasons, Lions Clubs and Rotary Clubs of plotting to undermine Muslims;

Teach that “Jews and the Christians are enemies of the [Muslim] believers” and that “the clash” between the two realms is perpetual;

Instruct students not to “greet,” “befriend,” “imitate,” “show loyalty to,” “be courteous to,” or “respect” non-believers;

Assert that the spread of Islam through jihad is a “religious duty;”

Instruct that “fighting between Muslims and Jews” will continue until Judgment Day, and that the Muslims are promised victory over the Jews in the end;

Include a map of the Middle East that labels Israel within its pre-1967 borders as “Palestine: occupied 1948.”

The Wahhabi sect of Islam is the foundation of the Saudi state’s political ideology, and at the core of its educational curriculum. According to the Saudi embassy in Washington, the Saudi public school system has 25,000 schools, educating some 5 million students. Saudi Arabia also runs academies in 19 world capitals, including one outside Washington in Alexandria, Virginia, that use some of these same religious texts. Moreover, Saudi Arabia also distributes its religion texts around the world to some Islamic schools and madrassas that it does not directly operate.

Given the closed nature of Saudi society, the Center has not undertaken a comprehensive review of the entire Saudi educational reform effort. The report was undertaken in response to concerns over whether the Saudi government has removed intolerant passages from its textbooks, and it urges the U.S. government to raise at the highest levels the continued teaching of hate and intolerance within Saudi Arabia.

The report is posted on the Center’s website www.freedomhouse.org/religion and

*Is it too much to ask our government to wake-up and smell the Jihad coffee? Remember, these are textbooks that been "improved." Imagine what was taught the Saudi children who, as adults, are now the recipients of the incresased number of Visas."

*Speaking as a Christian, (The Qu'ran teaches I am a swine) I object to this inane and indefensible practice of more than doubling the numer of Visas given to those who were taught I am a swine.

*I wonder if any Jews,(whom the Koran teaches are Apes), also object?

*How about your average Liberty-Loving pagan, atheist ect?

6 posted on 06/28/2006 6:23:15 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: brownsfan
You are correct again. Even though liberals and Islam are opposed on most issues since they have a common enemy in the very existence of the United States and especially as a nation with a Christian heritage, they have joined forces. The liberals and the media directly aid Islamic terrorism and that makes these self loathing liberals the enemy within. The History of Islam is essentially one of conquest and murder and to even begin to morally equate that with Christianity is ludicrous. I am a Hindu but clearly the message of Christianity has produced the most free and advanced civilizations on earth and Islam has produced only barbaric 7th century societies. Anyone who reads the true history of Islam can not come away with the impression that it is a religion of peace. Since 700 A.D in India alone they have killed 50 million and hundred continue to be killed by these murderers every day worldwide. The ability of the liberal to ignore the facts and justify their world view inspite of them is amazing and suicidal.
7 posted on 06/28/2006 6:29:10 AM PDT by Maneesh
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To: weegee

"Islamists are also a threat to Hindus and Buddhists and war with them constantly. "

Actually islam is a greater threat to Hindus, Buddhists, Shintos and any other religion not "of the book".

Oddly, islamists are supposed to have some small respect for Jews and Christians because they are "of the book". That is, mad mohammad was aware of the old Testament, and acknowledged it as a Holy Book. We see how islamists treat Jews and Christians... those they have some small regard for. Now, how do you think an islamist will deal with a Buddhist? A Hindu?
This will come down to world war, or complete submission worldwide to islam. There can be no middle ground.


8 posted on 06/28/2006 6:30:53 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Maneesh

"The ability of the liberal to ignore the facts and justify their world view inspite of them is amazing and suicidal."

You and I understand the threat that is islam. Many, (most?), on this site understand the threat. My fear is that the enemy within and without may be too much for us. I don't think so, but it is a concern. While islam and it's practitioners are fierce enemies, liberals are cowards. They use governmental systems and positions of power to bully people. If a liberal is faced with something approximating a fair fight, they cower. They claim to be peace loving. Give a liberal a chance to be violent without fear of reprisal, and they grab it. They are hippocrites, and cowards.
So, this leaves islam as the true enemy, aided by self hating cowards we call liberals.
We can make no mistake, this is a war like the world has never seen, and our way of life is at stake.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 6:43:25 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: weegee
mists are also a threat to Hindus and Buddhists and war with them constantly.

There is a circle of fire - wherever Islam meets another culture, there is war or persecution.

10 posted on 06/28/2006 6:50:00 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: brownsfan

I couldn't agree more.


11 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:34 AM PDT by mikethevike (We could use a little global warming up here in MN)
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To: brownsfan
You have nailed it again especially when you say that there is no middle ground. Appeasement, treaties, concessions, meetings, aid, agreements and other "Liberal created UN sponsored delusions" will produce no results here at all and just empower and embolden the enemy. I have spent some time studying the Muslim mind especially as I grew up around them. The only thing they understand is the overwhelming use of power and the moral clarity of the enemy to use it often and everytime required. In history when the West was powerful and not bound by PC to use its military might was the only time that Islam was kept in check. That is where liberals have handcuffed our military to fight nice and give terrorists the same rights as a U.S. citizen. We have to fight the enemy within which will then enable the US military to take off the gloves and use our full might. Then and only then will Islam will be suppressed. I believe that the fight right here with the liberals in the USA and Europe is as important as the fight in Iraq and Afghanistan and Iran (it is bound to happen) for us to prevail. The USA is the last hope of the free world and if we fall Islam will step in to fill the vacuum. We must never let that happen.
12 posted on 06/28/2006 6:56:36 AM PDT by Maneesh
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To: bornacatholic

The Lutheran Church monthly The Lutheran Witness, May 2006, provides an interesting take on the "Doctrine of Abrogration" in "Islam, keeping the facts straight," by Dr. Alvin Schmidt.


13 posted on 06/28/2006 7:42:07 AM PDT by gaspar
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If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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14 posted on 06/28/2006 7:50:32 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: gaspar

Thanks, brother. Do you have a link?


15 posted on 06/28/2006 7:52:10 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: brownsfan
Oddly, islamists are supposed to have some small respect for Jews and Christians because they are "of the book".

*Islam does consider us people of the book. However, as is often the case with Islam, it is not what it seems at first blush. Islam thinks that in the ORIGINAL Bible, Mohammed was identified as the last of the Prophets whom we, Christians and Jews, were supposed to accept. Islam believes we rejected Mohammed and THEN changed the Bible to obscure the truth. Havcing done that, we are not innocent. We are the childen of apes and swine deserving death

Don't be seduced into believing Islam respects Holy Writ. They consider it fiction - just like the Crucifixion of Jesus

16 posted on 06/28/2006 8:02:23 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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Try www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavlD=2249


17 posted on 06/28/2006 8:04:51 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: gaspar

a link to the artcile itself would be helpful. I got to the site but I have no idea where the article is.


18 posted on 06/28/2006 8:26:36 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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19 posted on 06/28/2006 8:32:43 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Mexico: America's Palestine)
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To: bornacatholic

That is my understanding of the dominant Islamic doctrine.

One must be prepared however to answer the minority view and to answer it as a terrorist would and why it is ultimately unsatistfactory. It is unfortunate that this is the one thing lacking in the article which could come to blindside you in a discussion.

The minority view holds that "abrogation" [2:106] refers only to the prophets before Muhammad of the Old and New Testaments, whose writings are considered to have been corrupted by its oral transmitters, copyists and translators. This view holds that every verse in the Qur'an remains in force in its historical context and resolves the contradictions between the "tolerant" and "intolerant" verses by limiting the scope of the warlike verses to Muhammad's return to and conquest of formerly unpersuaded Mecca (630 AD).

The problems with the minority "moderate" view are that it is supported neither by the Qur'anic text, tradition (hadith) nor history. This is simply demonstrated.

Textually, the chapter (surah) of the Qur'an (9) which commenced the war on Mecca does not limit its condemnation to the inhabitants of Mecca but makes blanket statements about Christians and Jews everywhere:

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

From the traditions (sayings or hadith), there is no limitation of war to Mecca or self-defense. Muhammad promised the eventual conquest of the "Great Satan" of the day, Rome:

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6924:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq. An army consisting of the best (soldiers) of the people of the earth at that time will come from Medina... A third (part of the army) which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed ani the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople... (not until 1453 AD)

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6930:
...You will attack Arabia and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack Persia and He would make you to Conquer it. Then you would attack Rome and AllgLh will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack the Dajjal and Allah will enable you to conquer him. Nafi' said: Jabir, we thought that the Dajjal would appear after Rome (editors inserted 'Syrian territory') would be conquered.

Sahih Muslim, Book 042, Number 7067:
...How would you be,0 people. when Persia and Rome would be conquered for you?...

Sunnah Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2506:
We went out on an expedition from Medina with the intention of (attacking) Constantinople...

Finally, the history of Islam is that immediately after the conquest of Mecca (630 AD) and the death of Muhammad, the Muslim went on a tear, conquering Palestine, Persia, North Africa, Spain in just a few decades, indicates that those who knew Muhammad personally understood that the war begun in surah 9 was open ended, as do most Muslims todsy.


20 posted on 06/28/2006 8:47:56 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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21 posted on 06/28/2006 9:10:08 AM PDT by gaspar
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22 posted on 06/28/2006 9:30:55 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: brownsfan
"So, this leaves islam as the true enemy, aided by self hating cowards we call liberals. We can make no mistake, this is a war like the world has never seen, and our way of life is at stake."

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23 posted on 06/28/2006 9:50:50 AM PDT by visualops (If you build it... www.visualops.com ...they won't come. Build the fence!)
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To: gaspar

You cited the piece. Provide the link.


24 posted on 06/28/2006 10:42:09 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
ISLAM was hijacked by... MUHAMMAD!

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF DUTCH FILM MAKER THEO van GOGH:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes.
He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES AND "young people with foolish thoughts"
TO BE KILLED BY ANYONE WHO FINDS THEM (e.g. honor killings):

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260] Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [6:61:577] Narrated 'Ali:
I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [9:84:64] Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."

AND MODERATE MUSLIMS TOO:

HADITH Sahih Muslim [5:2325] Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
A group would secede itself (from the Ummah) when there would be dissension among the Muslims. Out of the two groups who would be nearer the truth would kill them.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN (Shakir translation): http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

ISLAM DELENDA EST!

25 posted on 06/28/2006 11:02:18 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Berosus

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26 posted on 06/28/2006 11:13:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Amen, brother Cato


27 posted on 06/28/2006 11:19:34 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Convert from ECUSA

The fanaticism inherent within Islam goes back to Edward Gibbon when in the last volume of Decline and Fall he - in his own inimitable and sardonic style - described Mohammed and his jihads.

But I can also send you a remarkable contemporary essay by a remarkable writer who explains why moderation will inevitably be trumped by extremism in Islam. The essay was cited by David Brooks of the N.Y. Times as the best journal article of 2004.

The author lived in several Islamic cultures and he speaks from on-the-ground experience. He details why the dynamics of Islamic faith and culture make the triumph of the most militant and fanatical views inevitable.

I can respond by separate mail if you'd prefer.


28 posted on 06/28/2006 2:18:42 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: T.L.Sink; Convert from ECUSA
I think my brother "gets it."

He knows, for example, that Ayatollah Khomeini was 28 when he married a 10 year old and knocked her up when she was 11. He also told his faithful folllowers they should marry off their daughters and get them out of the house before they had their first period. (Islam Unveiled Robert Spencer)

29 posted on 06/28/2006 2:51:48 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: DesScorp; DollyCali; Madison Moose; MadLibDisease; Mystified_Rep; Conservative Yankee; eleni121; ...

"The Religion of Peace" Ping !


30 posted on 06/28/2006 4:17:03 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: bornacatholic

You referred to Spencer. Do you follow Jihad Watch? I recommend it. It's not PC (and it's sometimes dangerous!) to discuss the reality that Mohammed was a pedophiliac, an epileptic illiterate tribal bedouin, and a militant jihadist.

It's a sad state of affairs when so much of our Western civilization becomes so paralysed by PC multicultural nonsense that we become too afraid to speak the truth and recognize our very real enemies. You agree?


31 posted on 06/28/2006 5:30:08 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: bornacatholic

al-Bump


32 posted on 06/28/2006 9:10:34 PM PDT by Maeve
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Finally, the history of Islam is that immediately after the conquest of Mecca (630 AD) and the death of Muhammad, the Muslim went on a tear, conquering Palestine, Persia, North Africa, Spain in just a few decades, indicates that those who knew Muhammad personally understood that the war begun in surah 9 was open ended, as do most Muslims todsy.

Yeppers. That is the size of it.

Since Saudi is getting in bed with the ChiComs, this would be a fine time to do something about Mecca, Medina, and the Dome of the Rock... imho.

33 posted on 06/28/2006 9:14:05 PM PDT by Maeve
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To: T.L.Sink

Yeah. I read Jihad Watch daily. I agree totally, brother


34 posted on 06/29/2006 4:29:36 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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