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At death's window (Anne Lamott kills a good friend)
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 25, 2006 | Anne Lamott

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:14:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: calex59
Did they guy in the alley ask you to kill him

From the article, he didn't ask her to kill him, she offered to do it without prompting.

If you put something on the auction block enough times, you might be lucky enough to find a buyer.

41 posted on 06/29/2006 11:42:57 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Sisku Hanne
The German euthanasia program began before Hitler came to power, in the 1920's. The first to "get it" were disabled WWI vets. Then the insane. Then the retarded. And then --- and then--- and then---

Each beneficiary category a bit larger than the previous one, and each batch justified by the previous one. My goodness, they just got more and more merciful as they went along!

Even now in the Netherlands, the "right to die" is being exercised "on the behalf of" people who cannot ask for it for themselves: little children with disabilities, and so forth. Because why should the mere fact that you're unable to express yourself clearly, bar you from the enjoyment of your full complement of rights?

42 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The past isn't dead --- it isn't even past.)
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To: calex59
Just another stupid statement to add to the statement of the person I was actually talking to.

Or perhaps, you do not see how smart it really is!

43 posted on 06/29/2006 11:45:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: joe fonebone

I agree, she should be rotting in a cell.


44 posted on 06/29/2006 11:45:18 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Taliesan
I would never choose to risk eternal consequences to alleviate a temporary suffering. Life is full of suffering and we all die. There's no avoiding either.

Surely Satan delights when we decide that we know better than God, and act accordingly.
45 posted on 06/29/2006 11:49:46 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: bboop; don-o
She is an excellent writer. However, it was interspersed with rants about Bush -- tired old stuff, hardly worth the paper it is printed on

Her writing is superficially impressive, but gets cloying real fast.

The one child Lamott didn't destroy --the preciously named Sam-- probably hates her now. She practically admits that she cynically created the fatherless Sam as a self-fulfillment project (emphasis on self); and exploited his childhood with the aim of literary success.

Lamott should've gone the route of the liberal author of "Life with Marley: The World's Worst Dog."

Then she could've made a bundle while only exploiting a dog; the difference being...the dog wouldn't have minded.

46 posted on 06/29/2006 12:02:26 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: shhrubbery!
Anne Lamott's special, precious, unrepentant, Jesusy musings on her two abortions are here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-lamott10feb10,0,6836804.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

47 posted on 06/29/2006 12:09:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The past isn't dead --- it isn't even past.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And I want to add:

If you can EVER justify murder,

then you can ALWAYS justify murder.

Thou Shalt Not Murder doesn't have a list of exceptions after it.


48 posted on 06/29/2006 12:15:14 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The author states that previous conversations had indicated to her that this was a path her friend was already possibly considering, so it may not have been out of line for her to initiated such a conversation - IMO, unless we know a lot more than we do about the personal dynamics of everyone involved its impossible to know to when extent she was attempting to be accommodating. vs. what extent she was trying to be persuasive.

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One thing I have learned in this life is that people I consider to be both thoughtful and responsible have can very different convections about end-of-life choices, and they these “convections” can alter dramatically when they are faced with such a choice.

And the conclusion I've reached is the the time and circumstances of dying, for the terminally ill, should be within wide latitude a matter of their choice. I know people who have elected to hang on to the bitter end, I've known people (CHF) who have have said “I'm not going back into that damn hospital again”, knowing they would be dead in twelve hours if they didn't, and knowing that they might live weeks, months or even years, if the did, and I've known people who have elected to end their lives at the time of their own choosing, and before the final indignities of terminally illness. And as long as it's a decision made by a competent individual, I feel that neither I nor the state have a right to interfere with any of them, nor to either sanction or compel other's participation in them.

What I think is immoral is to coerce other's participation is such decisions even by omission, or to request of others what they they have made clear they cannot in conscience do.

Before my father's death from cancer, and despite our best efforts, he was never clear as to his wishes.

In the end, I found myself in his bedroom, holding bottles of liquid morphine, tranquilizers and anti-convalescents supplied by hospice, and hourly administering the ever increasing qualities required to prevent him from rising up clawing the air in agony as they wore off.

I knew the moment was approaching when the required dosage would suppress respiration.

And had he not died first, I would have administered a lethal dose if required for his comfort, and with a clear conscience.

But after that experience I now understand that if a friend asked it of me, I would be unable to participate in keeping them alive whatever their apparent agony - that I cannot accept that duty – it's contrary to the dictates of my conscience, just as some others here would not be able to accept the charge of deciding when assist in ending, another's life, no mater how short or painful the remaining time.

So my advice is to clearly know your own mind, make sure your wishes are clearly understood by those you trust and who can be trusted to follow those wishes if possible, and ask of your friends only what their nature and convictions allow.

49 posted on 06/29/2006 12:21:25 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
final indignities of terminally illness

Define for me, if you will, what dignity means to you, and why it's important to preserve it.

I've heard the phrase tossed around a lot, but rarely do I hear it addressed.
50 posted on 06/29/2006 12:26:33 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: teletech
In your own mind you can justify ANYTHING if you try hard enough, even MURDER!

I've read that in his last hours Hitler himself tried the power of prayer. When God didn't answer him back the Fuehrer got exasperated and said: "But I was only doing Your will!"

51 posted on 06/29/2006 12:37:25 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Zechariah_8_13
Define for me, if you will, what dignity means to you, and why it's important to preserve it.

If I do, will you accept it as my conviction, or will you try to convince me that you known my own mind better that I do?

If the latter, I've other things on my plate.

52 posted on 06/29/2006 12:37:29 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Morphine (or other medication) sufficient to keep a terminally ill patient comfortable and pain-free is justified, even if you can foresee that it causes reduced life-expectancy as a side effect.

As long as the intention is to make the patient comfortable ---and not to kill the patient--- a palliative medication dose is a real blessing. There is certainly NO moral obligation to go to a hospital; to accept drugs, surgery, or intrusive and futile devices such as ventilators; or to prolong the dying process by applying every available technology.

What we owe every dying person is ordinary care (food, water, hygienic measures); comfort care; and accompaniment. It's not very complicated, when you think about it.


53 posted on 06/29/2006 2:15:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The past isn't dead --- it isn't even past.)
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To: pawdoggie
I've read that in his last hours Hitler himself tried the power of prayer. When God didn't answer him back the Fuehrer got exasperated and said: "But I was only doing Your will!"

Yet another example of twisted thinking. We have our own twisted "thinkers". They are called DemocRATS!

54 posted on 06/29/2006 3:23:29 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What we owe every dying person is ordinary care (food, water, hygienic measures); comfort care; and accompaniment. It's not very complicated, when you think about it.

Sure. Simple as pie - as long as that is what they want.

If they want something else - as for example care and accompaniment while they try to keep done the barbs - it's a bit more complicated for some of us.

55 posted on 06/29/2006 6:22:02 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
She feels enough guilt to need to publish this, using anonymous names for the couple, so that she can assuage her own culpability in the floral excesses of language.

He went into the bathroom, changed into worn, light-blue pajamas, and got in bed, wasted, sad, sweet and comfortable.

Oh, thesaurus! What adjectives do you have to make death pret-ty, oh so pret-ty?

I went into the kitchen and crushed the pills with a mortar and pestle, then stirred them into applesauce in a tiny Asian bowl.

I am so glad she didn't use a big French milk bowl. I think tiny and Asian hits the right note tonight.

After a while, Mel looked around, half smiled and fell asleep. People got up to stretch, for wine or water, or to change albums.

Pretentious. There are only three other people in the room. People getting up for more wine, as if this were a MFK Fischer party in pre-war Switzerland instead of a slow 21st century assisted suicide.

This woman thinks that if she describes poop properly, it won't stink.

56 posted on 06/29/2006 6:53:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o
Pinged from Terri JUNE Dailies

8mm

57 posted on 06/30/2006 3:29:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: neverdem; Mrs. Don-o

> Is this for real or another piece of fiction?
I hope it's the latter. Even if it is, it's
malevolent propaganda.


58 posted on 06/30/2006 12:26:53 PM PDT by cycjec (doesn't teach or inspire or compel them to think things throughuuu-)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
"If they want something else - as for example care and accompaniment while they try to keep done the barbs - it's a bit more complicated for some of us."

Tell you what, M. Dodge. If I'm there and you say you want to kill yourself, I'll talk you down. If that doesn't work, I'll hold you down. Then you can scream and fuss and yell your head off that I'm insensitive to your rights, I'm opinionated, obnoxious, and bigoted, and I'll say, "So sue me."

And if you say,"I will, goddamnit, I'll sue your ass," I'll smile my bigot smile and say, "Good. Now you've got a reason for living."

59 posted on 06/30/2006 3:22:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Really? Really.)
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To: Yaelle
You got that right, Yaelle.

She also thinks that if she's very sensitive about it --- even showing a little sweet fare-thee-well melancholia --- it shows that she couldn't be wrong because her feelings are so fine.

60 posted on 06/30/2006 3:26:54 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Really? Really.)
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