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At death's window (Anne Lamott kills a good friend)
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 25, 2006 | Anne Lamott

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:14:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o
All of his old friends who were part of his final months said sternly that we must not play God, that nature must be allowed to take its course — and they were all atheists.

ALL of his friends were atheists?? What are the odds of that?

21 posted on 06/29/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: neverdem
I suppose she'll never be prosecuted because she can always claim that it never happened. Then all she's got is a bit of journalistic malfeasance, not murder.

Who, anyway, would have the responsibility of looking into this? There's no named victim, no body. We wouldn't know what year, what county, what state. Should somebody from the police department in city where Lamott lives, look her up and interview her? I mean, what do you do?

22 posted on 06/29/2006 10:55:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (A kind of idiot arithmetic, consisting solely of subtraction.)
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To: Taliesan
So you're the culprit who took my first choice in screen names, LOL!

Read Herman Hesse's "Peter Camenizid" sometime. The chapter where his mother dies sums up how I feel about letting nature take its course. My thought were like yours until my mother died from cancer.

23 posted on 06/29/2006 10:56:37 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dr. death (dervorkian) is now rotting in a cell....so should she........


24 posted on 06/29/2006 10:58:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Time to bring back tar and feathering.)
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To: Lazamataz
I stand ready with a chainsaw and a wood chipper!

Dono' - might be some Hazmat issues there.

25 posted on 06/29/2006 11:04:39 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: 8mmMauser; T'wit

Culture of Death Ping.


26 posted on 06/29/2006 11:07:41 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BIRDS; BlackElk; ...
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27 posted on 06/29/2006 11:10:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

"How about a ticket of John Kerry and Wesley Clark: Two Vietnam veterans against two chickenhawks," muses author Anne Lamott


Tells me all I need to know about her.


28 posted on 06/29/2006 11:10:23 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Lazamataz

Just another stupid statement to add to the statement of the person I was actually talking to. Trying to equate killing somone out of hand to helping them take their own life is nonsense. They are both murder but are not equal. If you can't see that, well, I understand they will have brain transplants available any day now.


29 posted on 06/29/2006 11:10:51 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Lazamataz
But they are too sick to know they really need to die.

That always puts me in those "more in sorrow than anger" moods.

30 posted on 06/29/2006 11:12:42 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
believed that life was a kind of Earth school, so even though assisted suicide meant you were getting out early, before the term ended, you were going to be leaving anyway, so who said it wasn't OK to take an incomplete in the course?

There's so much wrong in this sentence, it is hard to know where to begin. First, there is no such thing as assisted suicide. That is just a euphemism for "I killed a guy". At best, it is consensual homicide, at worst, outright euthanasia of the unproductive.

Second, who said it wasn't okay? God did. "Thou shalt not kill." Hypocrates did. "First, do no harm."

Third, the "Earth School" course is a pass/fail course. Incompletes are not allowed. Absences are not allowed. Failure to do the required course work will result in failure of the course. The course cannot be retaken.

31 posted on 06/29/2006 11:15:11 AM PDT by LexBaird ("Politically Correct" is the politically correct term for "F*cking Retarded". - Psycho Bunny)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

You could say she heard a cry for help and misread it completely. If some guy comes to a Christian writer and tells her he's scared about his diminishment and death he really wants to be comforted with Christ, not killed.

"One day over lunch, I told him that if he ever experienced too much pain or diminishment, I would try to help him die on his own terms, if he wanted.

"He was amazed, and so was I."

People who are sick, physically weakening, and grieving are highly vulnerable to suggestion. Lamott's friend and his wife were astonished and reluctant again and again, and --- the way she tells the story --- she made it clear that on her own initiative, she persuaded them. Maybe even more than she acknowledges here.

And why do we insist upon multiple layers of protection ---proof beyond-a-reasonable-doubt, due process, appeals, reconsiderations --- before we'll allow a criminal to be killed, but nothing of the sort to reprieve a person who is vulnerable and depressed?

There's no justice here. There wasn't even an outward show of justice.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 11:17:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o
One day over lunch, I told him that if he ever experienced too much pain or diminishment, I would try to help him die

Wow! Can you even imagine saying such a thing? With friends like this...

33 posted on 06/29/2006 11:21:33 AM PDT by workerbee (Democrats are a waste of tax money and good oxygen.)
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To: calex59
Trying to equate killing someone out of hand to helping them take their own life is nonsense. They are both murder but are not equal.

That's what they said in Amsterdam. Now, there is no legal difference in assisted suicide and a doctor determining to euthanize a patient without consent. The rationalization of the one has lead to the easy rationalization of the next step.

Of course, the next step after is to simply broaden the qualification for what constitutes a low enough quality of life to kill out of hand. Retarded? Kill them. Paralyzed? Kill them. Mentally disturbed? Kill them. Destitute? Kill them. Not our race or religion? Kill them. Any other way of classing someone as "other than human"? And, no, I am not practicing hyperbole, because it has happened like this more than once in the last century.

34 posted on 06/29/2006 11:25:04 AM PDT by LexBaird ("Politically Correct" is the politically correct term for "F*cking Retarded". - Psycho Bunny)
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To: workerbee
And in other news:

"Doctors have voted against any legislation to help terminally-ill patients die. Those attending the British Medical Association (BMA) conference said doctor-assisted suicide and voluntary euthanasia should not be made legal in the UK. They voted by 65% against 35% on the issue - overturning the BMA's neutral stance, decided last year."

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/PA_NEWA1324311151584127A0?source=PA%20Feed

35 posted on 06/29/2006 11:29:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Calling all "pajamahadins"(?)

I can't help but sense a Jayson Blair moment.


36 posted on 06/29/2006 11:31:34 AM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't give a s**t how you feel.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sick woman. If anyone is dating her, move away and change your name. Serial killers seldom stop.


37 posted on 06/29/2006 11:36:01 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mel was sort of surprised that as a Christian I so staunchly agreed with him about assisted suicide: I believed that life was a kind of Earth school, so even though assisted suicide meant you were getting out early, before the term ended, you were going to be leaving anyway, so who said it wasn't OK to take an incomplete in the course?
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She needs to rethink her faith, no christian should ever choose to play GOD and that is exactly what she has doing.


38 posted on 06/29/2006 11:37:59 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: teletech

I love SOME of her writing. Plan B, even, was good, about her time with an adolescent son. I laughed hard and long. She is an excellent writer.

However, it was interspersed with rants about Bush -- tired old stuff, hardly worth the paper it is printed on; and a confession, "If I stay angry at him, then he hasn't won." What kind of sick thinking is that? But I believe it is a clue to the leftie-lib way of thinking which the Bay Area is rife with.

This, too, is sick -- that she helped her friend die!! That there are no consequences!! That she is proud of that and the abortions. That stuff is SICK.


39 posted on 06/29/2006 11:38:31 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
He was amazed, and so was I. I hadn't particularly planned on offering this. ...

Could be a demonic influence, ya know? Kinda kewl!

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40 posted on 06/29/2006 11:42:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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