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Jesus is a loving god, but definitely not a pacifist
The Columbia (Missouri) Daily Tribune ^ | Thursday, June 29, 2006 | Philip Dooley, pastor

Posted on 06/29/2006 12:17:31 PM PDT by rface

Dear Editor, the Tribune:

In his June 7 letter to the editor, peace activist Steve Jacobs asks, "Who would Jesus bomb?" then attacks Christians for not sharing his peacenik worldview.

As a veteran and Marine parent, I ignore his ilk. But as a pastor, I sometimes find it necessary to respond to those who flagrantly misuse the Bible to support their biases.

Conservative Bible scholars view Jesus as an eternally co-existent member of the Trinity. Therefore, Jesus participated in destroying Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19 and threatened Nineveh with the same in Jonah 3.

King David, a soldier acclaimed for killing tens of thousands, wrote, "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for You are with me." As a warrior, he experienced the shadowy valley of death frequently.

Jesus honored a Roman soldier in Matthew 8:10 as having greater faith than even his own disciples, rather than recommending he lay down his sword, as you do.

Fortunately for you and me, this same Jesus is a loving God who "is not willing that any perish, but that all come to repentance." Therefore, it’s highly unlikely Jesus will bomb you, and thanks to our brave men and women in uniform, neither will Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and our enemies.

"The purpose of all wars ... is peace."

- Saint Augustine

Philip Dooley, pastor

Open Door Church

Highway 63 South


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bible; christianity; fight; jesus; kill; mdm; pacifism; peace; war
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something to share.....although I do wrestle with the will of Christ and the examples he showed us and the proper use of force in the world......
1 posted on 06/29/2006 12:17:35 PM PDT by rface
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To: rface

Jesus said, "Sell your cloak and buy a sword." He wasn't talking about going hunting..........


2 posted on 06/29/2006 12:19:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Red Badger

and when people defiled the temple.. he didn't go around on a multicultural streak.. he lashed them out of the temple.. LOL


3 posted on 06/29/2006 12:22:17 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: rface

Luke 22:36 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.



Luke 22:36 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)

36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.


4 posted on 06/29/2006 12:22:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: Red Badger

Sell your cloak and buy a sword
__________

naked swordplay sounds a bit dangerous.


5 posted on 06/29/2006 12:23:37 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Cinnamon

As I recall, he went on a rampage turning over the moneychangers' tables and animal sellers cages............all the while using a whip of some sort...........


6 posted on 06/29/2006 12:24:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: dmz

Just the cloak, not the underwear........


7 posted on 06/29/2006 12:25:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: rface
...proper use of force...


8 posted on 06/29/2006 12:26:28 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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To: rface

"The purpose of all wars ... is peace."

- Saint Augustine

"If you want peace, prepare for war."

- Julius Caesar


9 posted on 06/29/2006 12:27:01 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: rface

When someone slaps you on the cheek, turn the other cheek.

When someone takes your child and threatens to cut his throat, do you turn the other cheek? No, you do whatever you can to prevent it from happening and then you do whatever you can to prevent it from happening to anyone else.

Evil is like a fire. Sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire. The difference in such cases is whether you enjoy using fire to destroy anything other than fire.


10 posted on 06/29/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: Red Badger

Back then the cloak WAS the underwear.... :-)


11 posted on 06/29/2006 12:28:17 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Red Badger

I'm glad you cleared that up for me :)


12 posted on 06/29/2006 12:28:36 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Nightshift

ping


13 posted on 06/29/2006 12:29:17 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: rface

This is an interesting topic to me.
Man was made by God, and given a warrior nature. (A nature currently being corrupted by feminists).
As a young man, I had the makeup that would have allowed me to fight. But, I didn't quite grasp what it all meant.

From the vantage point of being nearly 50, I realize that there are far worse things that can happen to a man then to die in battle for a cause.


14 posted on 06/29/2006 12:29:36 PM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: rface
"Therefore, it’s highly unlikely Jesus will bomb you, and thanks to our brave men and women in uniform, neither will Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and our enemies.

Bump that!

15 posted on 06/29/2006 12:30:23 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Red Badger
Has nothing to do with physical swords...

Jesus' final words make it clear that circumstances are changing. Opposition to the disciples is rising. Where before Jesus had sent them out empty-handed yet they were provided for (9:1-6; 10:3-4), now they will have to take provisions and protection for their travel. They will have to procure a sword. Scripture such as Isaiah 53:12 is finding its fulfillment in Jesus. Jesus is rejected; he is numbered with the transgressors.

The disciples take Jesus' remarks literally and incorrectly. They note that they have two swords, but Jesus cuts off the discussion. Something is not right, but it is too late to discuss it. As the arrest will show, they have misunderstood. They draw swords then, but Jesus stops their defense in its tracks. He is not telling them to buy swords to wield in physical battle. They will have to provide for themselves and fend for themselves, but not through the shedding of blood. They are being drawn into a great cosmic struggle, and they must fight with spiritual swords and resources. The purchase of swords serves only to picture this coming battle. This fight requires special weapons (Eph 6:10-18).

Commentary

16 posted on 06/29/2006 12:30:30 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Paloma_55

The Greek word for "slap" amounted to "irritation", "annoy", "bug" - provocative, but not severe.


17 posted on 06/29/2006 12:31:23 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: dmz

No, he intended swords not to be concealed weapons.


18 posted on 06/29/2006 12:31:33 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: rface

bump


19 posted on 06/29/2006 12:32:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Paloma_55

I have heard that due to customs at the time, you could only slap someone with one hand, can't remember which. If you were to turn the other cheek, it would be impossible to strike you again.....With this understanding, turn the other cheek means to end the conflict, but not in manner which you are walked all over.


20 posted on 06/29/2006 12:32:35 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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