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Most cities in New York continue losing population, Census Bureau reports
The Business Council of New York State ^ | June 21, 2006

Posted on 07/03/2006 7:22:51 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Most cities in New York State have lost population in the last five years, with especially large declines in major Upstate cities, the U.S. Census Bureau reported.

Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse lost population, around 4 percent in each city, during the year ending July 1, 2005. All three cities have lost population each year since the last nationwide census in 2000, according to the bureau.

The new data appear in the Census Bureau's Annual Estimates of the Population for Incorporated Places. Among 61 cities in New York, 42 lost population from 2000 to 2005.

Twenty-six counties in New York have lost residents so far this decade, according to the new report. In Erie and Broome counties, the number of residents dropped both in the central cities of Buffalo and Binghamton, and in surrounding municipalities within the county.

Nationwide, nearly three-quarters of municipalities with more than 100,000 residents saw at least modest population growth from 2000 to 2005. Buffalo ranked 244th among those 254 localities in population change during the first half of the decade, while Rochester and Syracuse were 241st and 239th, respectively.

Some older, Northeastern cities are adding population. Worcester, Mass., and Providence, R.I., each added more than 3,000 residents in the last five years. New Haven and Allentown, Pa., showed smaller gains.

Click here for further statistics on depopulation of New York State


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bluezone; census; cities; depopulation; exodus; hillaryeffect; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkstate; nyc; urban
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1 posted on 07/03/2006 7:22:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Could it be too much taxation?
2 posted on 07/03/2006 7:24:52 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Only stupid people would vote for McCain, Warner, Hagle, Snowe, Graham, or any RINO)
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To: bmwcyle

Nahh... it's global warming, just like everything else.


3 posted on 07/03/2006 7:25:59 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: bmwcyle
Could it be too much taxation?

Same thing is happening in New Jersey, the current crisis over high taxes.

4 posted on 07/03/2006 7:26:18 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Nahh... it's global warming, just like everything else.

Haha, how much you want to bet that you won't find this on front page of the New York Slimes?

5 posted on 07/03/2006 7:28:44 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In 1950, Buffalo New York had a population of 580,132. And in 2000, it is down to 292,648.

6 posted on 07/03/2006 7:35:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Most cities in New York State have lost population in the last five years.

NY is a left-wing "workers paradise."

7 posted on 07/03/2006 7:36:38 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: MinorityRepublican
Two words...

Tax es

8 posted on 07/03/2006 7:37:18 PM PDT by Gritty (What is going on is a sustained assault by Mexico on U.S. sovereignty - Mark Steyn)
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To: 68skylark
NY is a left-wing "workers paradise."

The wonderful thing about America is that when a state is a failure, all people have to do is to leave for greener pastures.

9 posted on 07/03/2006 7:37:38 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: bmwcyle

taxation, no economic development, industrial jobs being sent overseas, bad weather, people moving to the Sun Belt.


10 posted on 07/03/2006 7:37:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: MinorityRepublican

I expect New York to lose three electoral votes after the next Census.


11 posted on 07/03/2006 7:37:56 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: MinorityRepublican

Anyone have the PA numbers? I can't help but wonder if people are moving just across the state line. Taxes in PA are *low* compared to NJ and NY (though they are *really* low in DE).


12 posted on 07/03/2006 7:39:35 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Times will tout how Hillary is using tax money to bribe a chip maker to put a plant upstate, giving her credit for jobs created by confiscated money.


13 posted on 07/03/2006 7:39:44 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Same thing is happening in New Jersey, the current crisis over high taxes.

Property or income taxes? If so, how high are they? I had a buddy at work talking about how bad things were in parts of the state. He used Elmira, NY (I've never been there) as an example and pulled up listings on a popular real estate website for the place. It looked as if the whole darn town was for sale, and for cheap. I'm not from that part of the country and have never seen anything like it.

14 posted on 07/03/2006 7:40:04 PM PDT by SIDENET (I like liberals...they taste like CHICKEN.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

>>Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse lost population, around 4 percent in each city, during the year ending July 1, 2005. All three cities have lost population each year since the last nationwide census in 2000, according to the bureau.<<

My beloved wife (who is from NY city) responded "I guess people are coming to their senses."


15 posted on 07/03/2006 7:40:29 PM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: LdSentinal
I expect New York to lose three electoral votes after the next Census.

Now that will be exciting. However, the Democrats will gerrymander the districts in New York so there'll be no Republicans left. But we will get increased representation in states like Utah, North Carolina, and Texas who are more conservative than RINOs found in New York State anyway.

16 posted on 07/03/2006 7:41:17 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I am proposing that we convert it to a wilderness preserve, so New Yorkers can have their own pristine area and can stop worrying about Alaska.


17 posted on 07/03/2006 7:42:43 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Check this link. Among other very cool things, it gives the highest population attained of the major cities in the state. Buffalo, in 1950, had 580,000; Rochester, 332,000 (about what Pittsburgh & St. Louis have now); Syracuse, 220,000; and Albany, 135,000. Utica had 101,000 in 1930.
18 posted on 07/03/2006 7:43:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: MinorityRepublican

If I remember correctly, NY lost two House seats after the last census. Under a deal struck with Joseph Bruno - the Republican Majority Leader of the state senate - one Democrat lost his seat as did one Republican. What sort of deal will be struck after the 2010 census is unknown, but Bruno is a shrewd man and he'll extract every concession available.


19 posted on 07/03/2006 7:46:39 PM PDT by quadrant
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To: MinorityRepublican

Are you serious? Buffalo's population has dropped almost 300,000?


20 posted on 07/03/2006 7:49:38 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: LdSentinal
NY state picked up 2 Republican electoral college votes in the last presidential election.

I do hope that all those leaving are Republicans, and not leftists.

21 posted on 07/03/2006 7:49:38 PM PDT by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: pepperdog

Ohio has lost a lot of people; we are experiencing a brain drain here. Just 1/3 of homes in Ohio have children in them.


22 posted on 07/03/2006 7:51:10 PM PDT by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: MinorityRepublican
New York is a Liberal's paradise where more than half of all NY pregnancies end in infacide (abortions).

The thriving state of Utah who does not seem to be having any population issues has a infacide rate of about 15%.
23 posted on 07/03/2006 7:54:31 PM PDT by WashingtonStateRepublican
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To: SIDENET

NJ income tax is flat, around 3%, similar to PA's. The property taxes in NJ are at least double those in PA, however. My aunt and uncle pay 15,000+/year on a 2,000-sq.ft. 4-bedroom house in North Jersey. The place is just evil.


24 posted on 07/03/2006 7:55:49 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Oh dear, I hope no New Yorkers head my way-well, liberals from the NE that is.

Of course, a very evil lady will put her spin with The NY Times' help and call it a miracle.


25 posted on 07/03/2006 7:56:25 PM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative
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To: MinorityRepublican

Hopefully they're moving to purple states such as NH and FL, where their votes will count. Those two states also have no income tax (though NH has a business tax and FL has a portfolio tax).

Sad to see NY bleeding, but the liberals in charge for decades here have made it so.

p.


26 posted on 07/03/2006 8:00:10 PM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Constitution1st

Interesting that the article does not note that NYC was one of the few that have gained.

New York City 8,143,197 1.7%

This page has all of the info. http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.php

You may need to down load all three sections for your state.

“If I remember correctly, NY lost two House seats after the last census. Under a deal struck with Joseph Bruno - the Republican Majority Leader of the state senate - one Democrat lost his seat as did one Republican. What sort of deal will be struck after the 2010 census is unknown, but Bruno is a shrewd man and he'll extract every concession available.”
The deal part is incorrect. Congressional districts are set by population. No deal could have been made to keep such a balance.

Since NYC is the one growth area, they will gain in the 2010 redistribution of districts in the rebalancing of the NYS delegation. I suspect that NYS will continue to lose congressional; seats.


“NY state picked up 2 Republican electoral college votes in the last presidential election.”

This statement is wrong, se above.


27 posted on 07/03/2006 8:01:11 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: MinorityRepublican
The wonderful thing about America is that when a state is a failure, all people have to do is to leave for greener pastures.

I wonder how many of them though, are the very same people that created the mess in the first place- moving on to find new places to screw up? Last time I checked, Southern Oregon was having problems with this. Wealthy moonbats from the Bay Area, who can't take the taxes they voted in anymore, move up to 'inexpensive' So. Oregon and start complaining that it 'isn't enough like home'. So. Oregon Freepers care to comment? I've heard complaints of this sort from Ashland and Medford.

28 posted on 07/03/2006 8:02:49 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Thanks, interesting post. I grew up in Rochester, born at Rochester General Hospital.

It's very sad to see her going downhill. Visits back are painful, too, the city looks and feels much different than it did 20 years ago.


29 posted on 07/03/2006 8:04:11 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Peace is the prerogative of the victorious, not the vanquished."....... Winston Churchill)
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To: SIDENET

These towns are old manufacturing centers and this has moved overseas. There is no work.


30 posted on 07/03/2006 8:05:07 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: LdSentinal

I think the most we can hope for is two, which is what it is most likely to be from all the estimates I've seen.


31 posted on 07/03/2006 8:08:01 PM PDT by Free Dominoes
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To: MinorityRepublican

You have to look at metro areas, not cities. Having said that, upstate NY is one of the most stagnant areas on the fruited plain economically. The weather sucks, and the taxes are high, and it does not have much to offer in the form of entertainment for the young and the educated.


32 posted on 07/03/2006 8:08:30 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Windcatcher

"NJ income tax is flat, around 3%, similar to PA's.

Nope, it's 6.3%, with a new 9% rate for incomes over $500K. Look on the NJ tax website for the brackets.


33 posted on 07/03/2006 8:08:47 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Steven Scharf

The statement is not wrong; it was reported in the news. It was some time ago, and I do not remember the details, but that is how I learned about it.


34 posted on 07/03/2006 8:09:01 PM PDT by Constitution1st (Never, never, never quit - Winston Churchill)
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To: NativeNewYorker
...Hillary is using tax money to bribe a chip maker to put a plant upstate...

that does explain why anyone would consider building any kind of plant in the US, much less in Newyorkistan.

35 posted on 07/03/2006 8:09:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Rock on, my beautiful America!)
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To: Torie

Interestingly, NYC and the four surrounding counties are still growing despite the high taxes. I'm amazed that this is possible.

Of course, if you make a couple of hundred thousand a year, taxes don't bite as much.


36 posted on 07/03/2006 8:10:46 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: MinorityRepublican

That "AINT" population, that be TAX PAYERS, fools!~}


37 posted on 07/03/2006 8:11:29 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: proxy_user

That is a fairly low income tax rate compared to California, which is at 9.3% for income over about $35,000. There is an extra 1% if you make over a million, to fund mental health services for the sickos. The killer in NJ is the property tax. California's is about the lowest in the nation, which is one reason why real estate prices are so high, although not the only reason.


38 posted on 07/03/2006 8:11:48 PM PDT by Torie
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To: proxy_user

If a place has amenities, the "rich" will pay, and generate economic activity. NYC is still the center of publishing and the arts and letters (outside of film), and of course, finance, and that is not going to change. Those folks need to rub shoulders with each other, just like they do in Hollywood.


39 posted on 07/03/2006 8:15:02 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

But in the context of the tristate region, the income tax rates are:

NY 6.875%
NJ 6.3/9%
CT 5.0%

So NY cannot be said to have particularly high individual income tax rates for the region. High-income people in NJ may end up paying more.


40 posted on 07/03/2006 8:16:09 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Paul_B

Forget about Michigan--the only state with a SBT.


41 posted on 07/03/2006 8:19:23 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: proxy_user
FWIW, here is a copy and paste from cyberspace (the city income tax rate appears quite nasty):

"Under the 2003 legislation, the state and city each added two income tax rate brackets, retroactive to Jan. 1, 2003. The highest bracket, set at 7.7 percent on the state income tax and 4.45 percent on the city tax, applied to taxable incomes above $500,000 for all filers. The second highest bracket of 7.5 percent on state taxes and 4.25 percent on city taxes applied to incomes above $150,000 for married filers (or $100,000 for singles and $125,000 for heads of households). This produced a combined top rate of 12.15 percent, compared to 10.5 percent under the prior law. The top rates were scheduled to remain in effect for three full years, expiring at the end of 2005; the second-highest rates were to be phased out over the next two years."

42 posted on 07/03/2006 8:23:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not to worry. The illegals will fill up the empty space.


43 posted on 07/03/2006 8:26:53 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: proxy_user
Ah, here is something more current:

"Under currently applicable New York State law, the highest marginal New York State income tax rate imposed on individuals for taxable years beginning in 2006 is 6.85%. This rate applies to a single individual with taxable income in excess of $20,000. Individual taxpayers with New York State adjusted gross income in excess of certain defined amounts must pay a supplemental tax intended to recapture the benefit of graduated tax rates.

"The highest marginal New York City income tax rate imposed on individuals is 3.2% for taxable years beginning in 2006. This rate applies to New York residents who are individuals with taxable income in excess of $50,000."

44 posted on 07/03/2006 8:29:08 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

The illegals are heading to New York City instead and settling in the Bronx.


45 posted on 07/03/2006 8:31:24 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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To: Torie

Yes, but since we are talking about the emptying out of upstate cities, only the state rate would be applicable.

NYC and Yonkers are the only two cities with a local income tax.


46 posted on 07/03/2006 8:32:27 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: All

I checked the Census numbers and New York state's population is up 1.5% since 2000 and 5.5% since 1990.


47 posted on 07/03/2006 8:39:24 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: proxy_user

OK, but folks are willing to pay to live in NYC because of the amenities, and need. And while property taxes high in New York, housing prices are dirt cheap upstate (Syracuse has close to the lowest housing prices in the nation), so that should not be too much of a burden. For whatever reason, productive folks just don't want to live in upstate New York.


48 posted on 07/03/2006 8:40:35 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Constitution1st

Your statement was:

“NY state picked up 2 Republican electoral college votes in the last presidential election.”

This is like saying a reduction in the increase wanted is a cut. NYS has less congressional districts now than it did before the 2000 census. What you are trying to imply is that there are now two more republican congressional seats. Your statement is more properly described as the NYS republican state delegation increased by two.

Since NYS (unlike my state*) distributes electoral votes to the statewide winner, how many republican congressional seats there are is immaterial.

* Maine and Nebraska distribute their congressional electoral votes based on the winner in that congressional district.


49 posted on 07/03/2006 8:54:53 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: Steven Scharf
The deal part is incorrect. Congressional districts are set by population. No deal could have been made to keep such a balance.

Congressional districts are set by the state legislature.

The number of districts each state is alotted is set by the population of that state.

With the loss of two USHR seats, would a redistricting not be required?

Such a deal sounds completely plausible.
50 posted on 07/03/2006 9:00:45 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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