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Why I Left The Left
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| 7/3/2006
| Seth Swirsky
Posted on 07/04/2006 4:50:08 AM PDT by HansGygi
I used to be a liberal.
I was in one of the first open classrooms growing up in very progressive Great Neck, New York, in the 1960s. In 1971, when I was 11, I wrote vitriolic letters to President Nixon demanding an end to the Vietnam War.
My first vote, in 1980, was for Independent John Anderson, followed by Mondale, Dukakis, and Clinton-Gore. I read Thomas Friedman in the NY Times and tried to understand the root causes of the despair he said the Palestinians felt that drove them to blow up innocent Israelis.
I wasnt an overtly political person I just never veered from the liberal zeitgeist of the community in which I was raised.
But when I was about 27, in the late 1980s, cracks in my liberal worldview began to appear. It started with an uproar from the Left when Tipper Gore had the audacity to suggest a label on certain CDs to warn parents of lyrics that were clearly inappropriate for young people. Her suggestion was simple common sense and I was surprised by the furor it caused from the likes of Frank Zappa (and others) who felt their freedoms were being encroached upon. It was my first introduction into the entitled, selfish and irresponsible thinking I now associate with the Left.
In 1989, I remember questioning whether Democrat David Dinkins was the best choice for Mayor of New York City (where I lived) over Rudy Giuliani. After all, Dinkins hadnt distinguished himself as Manhattan Borough President while Giuliani, as a United States District Attorney, had just de-fanged the mob.
But, racial healing was the issue of the day, Dinkins won, and the city went straight downhill. When Giuliani beat Dinkins in a rematch four years later Surprise! the crime rate plummeted, tourism boomed, Times Square came alive not with pimps but with commerce. Since 1993, the overwhelmingly liberal electorate in New York City has voted for Republicans for Mayor. Yet, to this day, many of my liberal friends refer to the decisive and effective Giuliani as a Nazi, even as they stroll their children through neighborhoods he cleaned up.
"What made me leave the Left for good and embrace the Right were their respective reactions to 9/11. While The New York Times doubted that we could succeed in Afghanistan because the Soviets in the 80s hadnt, George W. Bush went directly after the Taliban and Al Qaeda seriously damaging and disrupting their networks."
After moving to Los Angeles in the early 90s, I watched from the roof of my apartment building as the city burned after the Rodney King verdicts were handed down. I thought what those four cops did to King was shameful. But I didnt hear an uproar from my friends on the Left when rioters rampaged through the citys streets, stealing, looting, and destroying property in the name of no justice, no peace. And it was impossible not to notice the hypocrisy when prominent Hollywood liberals, who had hosted anti-NRA fundraisers at their homes a week before the riots were standing in line at shooting ranges the week after it.
I watched carefully as Anita Hill testified during Clarence Thomass Supreme Court nomination hearing, claiming Thomas once head of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sexually harassed her after she rebuffed his invitations to date him. At the time, I rooted, as did all my friends, for Miss Hill, hoping that her testimony would result in Thomas not getting confirmed. In retrospect, Im ashamed that I was ever on the side of people who so viciously demonized a decent, qualified person like Judge Thomas, whether you agree with his judicial philosophy or not. Condoleezza Rice, during eligibility hearings for Secretary of State, also had to deal with rude people like Barbara Boxer, who seemed not to be able to fathom that a black American could embrace conservatism.
I voted for Al Gore in 2000. When he lost, I was disappointed, mostly in my fellow Democrats for thinking that the election had been stolen even though three other elections in the American history had been won by the candidate who had not won the popular vote (John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876 and Benjamin Harrison in 1888). The rush to judgment by the now conspiracy consumed Left put me off. Where, I asked, were all the disenfranchised black voters who would have given Gore a victory in Florida? No one could produce a single name. And how exactly were the voting machines in Ohio rigged in 2004? I now refer to the Democrats as the Grassy Knoll party.
Still, I approached the 2004 primaries with an open mind. I was still a Democrat, still hoping that leaders like Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson would emerge, still fantasizing that Democrats could constitute a party of truly progressive social thinkers with tough backbones who would reappear after 9/11.
I was wrong. The Left got nuttier, more extreme, less contributory to the public debate, more obsessed with their nemesis Bush and it drove me further away. What Democrat could support Al Gores 04 choice for President, Howard Dean, when Dean didnt dismiss the suggestion that George W. Bush had something to do with the 9/11 attacks? Or when the second most powerful Senate Democrat, Dick Durbin, thought our behavior at the detention center in Guantanamo was equivalent to Bergen Belsen and the Soviet gulags? Or when Senator Kennedy equated the unfortunate but small incident at Abu Ghraib with Saddams 40-year record of mass murder, rape rooms, and mass graves saying, Saddam's torture chambers have reopened under new management, U.S. management"? What Democrat could not applaud the fact that the President had, in fact, kept us safe for whats going on 5 years? What Democrat even those who opposed the decision to go into Iraq wouldnt applaud the fact that tens of millions of previously brutalized people had the hope of freedom before them?
What made me leave the Left for good and embrace the Right were their respective reactions to 9/11. While The New York Times doubted that we could succeed in Afghanistan because the Soviets in the 80s hadnt, George W. Bush went directly after the Taliban and Al Qaeda seriously damaging and disrupting their networks. Although many on the Left claim to have backed the President's actions, the self-doubt leading up to it, crystallized my view of the Left as weak and terminally lacking in confidence.
I supported President Bushs hard line against the father of modern terrorism, Yasir Arafat, remembering that Bushs predecessor hosted Arafat at the White House 13 times, more often than any other world leader. I applauded Bushs unequivocal support for Israel, which every day faced (and faces) suicide attacks against its people. But I was most disappointed with liberal Jews who dont understand that their very existence is rooted in Israels existence and that George W. Bush has been the best friend that Israel has ever had. But because they are less Jewish than they are liberal, they didnt reward Bush with their vote in 2004.
Finally, I supported President Bushs decision to oust Saddam and make possible the only democracy (other than Israel) in this crucial region of the Middle East. Post 9/11, we had to figure out a way to lessen the chances of more 9/11s. Democracy is a weapon in that war. If people are free to build businesses, buy homes, send their children to schools, pursue upward mobility, live their lives without fear, read newspapers of every opinion, vote for their leaders, resolve differences with debate and not bombs, they will have no reason to want to harm us.
In response, the Left offered bumper-sticker-type arguments like, Bush lied and thousands died. But Bush never lied. He, like Clinton and Gore and Kerry and the U.N. and the British and French and Israeli intelligence services affirmed that Saddams WMD were a vital threat a threat, that post- 9/11, could not stand. An overwhelming number of Democrats voted for the war but now the Left says they were scared into their votes by Bush. What does it say about Democrats if the dummy they think Bush is can scare them so easily?
Iraq is the Normandy of the War on Terror. The hope, once Iraq and Afghanistan are more stable, is that the nearly 70 million people in Iran will look at those countires (on it's left and right borders) and say: Why do these people get to enjoy the fruits of freedom and we dont? and then topple their Mullahs dictatorial regime. The President understands the big picture -- that if the U.S. doesnt help to remake that volatile region, we will face a nuclear version of 9/11 within the next two or five or 10 years. He is simply being realistic in his outlook and responsible in his actions. Iraq is succeeding, slowly but surely, but thats not a sexy enough story to lead the news with: the relatively small amount of casualities are. Dont forget, we occupied Germany and Japan for seven years and we still have troops there, more than 60 years after World War II ended.
And what have the Democrats contributed to the war effort since 9/11? Democrat Sen. Russ Feingold has suggested censuring our president; Former President and Vice President Bill Clinton and Al Gore, while visiting foreign countries, have blasted President Bush acts of unconscionable irresponsibility; Democrat Sen. John Murtha, has invoked a cut-and-run policy in Iraq, supported by Democrat Senate Minority leader Harry Reid and Democrat House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi. Do they think the Middle East and the World would be safer if we had cut and run, as Murthas plan wanted us to do? Under that plan, our troops would have been out of Iraq by May 18th and al-Zarqawi wouldnt be dead, but pulling the strings in an Iraqi civil war. With these kinds of ideas and behaviors, I just dont trust Democrats when it comes to our national security.
And so, as any reader of this article can well understand, it became impossible for me to relate to the modern Democrat Party which has tacked way too far to the left and is dominated by elites that dont like or trust the real people that make up most of the country.
Although I havent always agreed with President Bush, I proudly voted for him in 2004 (the only one of the four presidents not elected by the popular vote to win re-election). And I now fully understand Ronald Reagans statement, when he described why he switched from being a liberal to a conservative: I didnt leave the party It left me! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Seth Swirsky is a songwriter, author, recording artist and memorabilia collector. His hits include "Love Is A Beautiful Thing" for Al Green, "Tell It To My Heart" and "Prove Your Love" for Taylor Dayne, "Instant Pleasure" for Rufus Wainwright amongst others. His trilogy of bestselling books consisting of his correspondence with baseball players are called "Baseball Letters" (Crown, 1996), "Every Pitcher Tells A Story" (Times Books, 1999) and "Something to Write Home About" (Random House, 2003). His personal collection consists of the ball that went through Bill Buckners legs in the 1986 World Series and the letter banning Shoeless Joe Jackson from Baseball. His own CD, "Instant Pleasure", won Best Pop Album at the 2005 L.A. Music Awards. Currently, he is making a bookumentary called Beatles Stories. His eclectic world can be seen and heard at his site, Seth.com.)
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; conversion; dems; epiphany; gw; gwbush; left; leftism; liberalism; liberals; sethswirsky; swirsky
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Yet, to this day, many of my liberal friends refer to the decisive and effective Giuliani as a Nazi, even as they stroll their children through neighborhoods he cleaned up.A true liberal today is a combination of socialist, fascist, and hypocrite. They are also rabidly anti-America!
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posted on
07/04/2006 4:50:10 AM PDT
by
HansGygi
To: HansGygi
My first vote, in 1980, was for Independent John Anderson, followed by Mondale, Dukakis, and Clinton-Gore. I guess he tired of hovering around the political Mendoza line.
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posted on
07/04/2006 4:54:00 AM PDT
by
edpc
(Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
To: HansGygi
I left the Left after the 1992 Democratic Convention when Bob Casey, former Governor of Penna was not allowed to address the platform committee because he wanted to bring up the issue of abortion.
HE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK! I began to understand that these people were not interested in ideas, only in control.
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posted on
07/04/2006 4:57:24 AM PDT
by
kjo
Welcome Home.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:01:56 AM PDT
by
b4its2late
(John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!)
To: HansGygi
Similar to my "pilgrimage".
Democrats' criticism of Bush strikes me as blatantly opportune rather than principled. I don't know how those people can stand themselves.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:02:09 AM PDT
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
To: HansGygi
And welcome to FR BTW!!!!!
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:02:51 AM PDT
by
b4its2late
(John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!)
To: HansGygi
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:03:25 AM PDT
by
mware
(Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
To: HansGygi
Great post. Copied, pasted and circulated to some liberals, not that they'll pay attention, but you never know what might bring them from the dark side.......
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:04:29 AM PDT
by
b4its2late
(John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!)
To: HansGygi
"Since 1993, the overwhelmingly liberal electorate in New York City has voted for Republicans for Mayor. Yet, to this day, many of my liberal friends refer to the decisive and effective Giuliani as a Nazi, even as they stroll their children through neighborhoods he cleaned up."
Good piece :)
I used to be a 60's hippie liberal.
I was always a moderate though I tended to support Democrat issues. That started to change in the 1990's as I noticed what was supposed to be the party of fairness and tolerence getting increasingly intolerant ... and hateful.
As we moved to 2000, Anti-Americanism, filled with blatant lies, started to appear more and more on the liberal listserv I used to frequent. When I pointed out the errors, I was often the target of character assassination.
In spite of all I had done to support liberal causes, especially in the field of the arts, I was suddenly the "enemy" because I dared to question the validity of the ever increasingly hateful comments directed against "rich, greedy, evil" Republicans.
Unintentionally, I found myself in the conservative camp, whose attitudes now more resemble what I feel. As for modern libs, like people say, it's now a disease, a mental disorder that in fact, George Orwell wrote about in a number of essays, calling it "Intellectual Dishonesty."
George
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:04:55 AM PDT
by
George - the Other
(Ever notice how Narrow-Minded atheists are?)
To: HansGygi
A true liberal today is a combination of socialist, fascist, and hypocrite.Exactly... I watched this on display by a rabid liberal, during our 4th of July celebration at one of our local parks.
We had a boat parade by the river, and as we watched, a boat, decorated in red, white, and blue passed by with a sign that said, "We support our troops and President Bush".
This flaming liberal started flipping them off. If his ailing mother wasn't present I would have pushed the sob into the water.
Their hatred of this country is stunning.
To: kjo
Control yes...leadership no.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:05:41 AM PDT
by
antivenom
(If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
To: HansGygi
I love to read about these "eureka" moments.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:07:15 AM PDT
by
libertylover
(Democrats: Trying since 1968 to transform America into The Great Satan.)
To: HansGygi
Welcome to Free Republic!
To: George - the Other
I used to be a hippie liberal as well. My first vote for President was in 1972 at the tender age of 19, I voted McGovern. I voted for Jimmah the peanut man...in fact I voted a straight dem ticket until the second term election of Ronald Reagan.
I never have really figured out the exact turning point that steered me in the "right" direction. Perhaps it was raising a family of three children and starting my own business in 1981 that did it.
Happy Fourth of July!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:12:40 AM PDT
by
jsh3180
To: HansGygi
Welcome to FR.
Good post.
Happy 4th of July, Our Independence day.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:17:47 AM PDT
by
roaddog727
(Bullsh## doesn't get bridges built.)
To: HansGygi; All

I just read this last month. A good quick read, and it tells the story of the hard left turn the democrat party took. I recommend picking it up.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:18:26 AM PDT
by
Jackknife
( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I read The Federalist in my early 20s but, apparently didn't understand it because I kept voting Democrat.When I re-read it in my 30s, I understood it but kept voting Democrat out of habit, even though I was basically thinking opposite of the party.
In '96, I voted for Clinton and would have probably voted for Gore in 2000 if Clinton had stood up and said, "Ya, I cheated on my wife and got a blowjob in the Oval Office so STFU." The fact that he lied about something so incredibly stupid pissed me off. Had he been honest I would have shrugged it off thinking, "Well, your wife's a hag so....whatever."
Although, even if he had told the truth and I stayed with the Democrat vote through 2000, 9-11 would have done it for me.
To: HansGygi
Great article to read over my morning coffee.. Thanks.. And welcome.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:19:41 AM PDT
by
tje
(Cold hearted orb, that rules the night....)
To: HansGygi
I wrote vitriolic letters to President Nixon demanding an end to the Vietnam War. A bit off subject I wasn't really old enough to understand first hand the actual political dynamics of that era. But why in the hell does Nixon's name get associated with Vietnam? I mean wasn't it exclusively Democrats, Kennedy and Johnson that got us involved and escalated it?
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:19:47 AM PDT
by
Archon of the East
("universal executive power of the law of nature")
To: libertylover
RE your post #12 - My feeling, too. A very interesting essay. Glad I read it.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:24:49 AM PDT
by
summer
To: jsh3180
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"I used to be a hippie liberal as well. My first vote for President was in 1972 at the tender age of 19, I voted McGovern." I hear ya there, though I voted for President Nixon in '72. Only Democrat I have ever voted for was Jimmy Carter and I was so embarrassed of my vote by 1980 that I actively campaigned for Reagan and have been in the GOP camp ever since. This article expresses my feelings to a 'T'.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:29:19 AM PDT
by
HawaiianGecko
(Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
To: Northern Yankee
"Their hatred of this country is stunning."
It has grown to the point where it has become a danger now where it must be confronted and destroyed.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:31:56 AM PDT
by
DarthVader
(Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
To: HansGygi
The clincher, IMO:
The President understands the big picture -- that if the U.S. doesnt help to remake that volatile region, we will face a nuclear version of 9/11 within the next two or five or 10 years.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:33:52 AM PDT
by
randita
To: summer
I am Reagan Democrat. I did vote for RR in 84, Bush in 88, Clinton in 92 and 96(you have to admit dole was not a good candidate), sat out 2000, and voted for gwb in 2004. Will i ever vote for a Dem as Pres, possibly, but not in their current state I think my mother is weakening. If my mom, a dyed in the wool democrat, is weakening, how many more of the dem's traditional voters do they plan on losing
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:41:22 AM PDT
by
sachem longrifle
(proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
To: HansGygi
"I was surprised by the furor it caused from the likes of Frank Zappa"
"Why are we outlawing words - they are only WORDS".
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:42:11 AM PDT
by
spanalot
To: HansGygi
To: Archon of the East
Nope.
Truman and Ike were there. Though some say that Ike sending the Military Assistance Advisory Group in November 1955 marks the official start of our involvement.
Vietnam War Memorial casualties numbers 1 and 2 were back in 1959.
Kennedy and Johnson dramatically ramped up our troop levels.
Perhaps someone else can comment on Ike's advice to Kennedy when JFK took over. I have heard he had a word or two about it.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:50:25 AM PDT
by
allen08gop
("Woman is the most powerful magnet in the universe... and all men are cheap metal!")
To: HansGygi
But I was most disappointed with liberal Jews who dont understand that their very existence is rooted in Israels existence Not if they dont live there it isn't.
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:56:47 AM PDT
by
humblegunner
(If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
To: allen08gop
It goes all the way back to Truman:
Letter to President Harry Truman, February 16, 1945. The letter was never answered and was not declassified until 1972
DEAR MR. PRESIDENT:
Our VIETNAM people, as early as 1941, stood by the Allies' side and fought against the Japanese and their associates, the French colonialists.
From 1941 to 1945 we fought bitterly, sustained by the patriotism, of our fellow-countrymen and by the promises made by the Allies at YALTA, SAN FRANCISCO and POTSDAM.
When the Japanese were defeated in August 1945, the whole Vietnam territory was united under a Provisional Republican Government, which immediately set out to work. In five months, peace and order were restored, a democratic republic was established on legal bases, and adequate help was given to the Allies in the carrying out of their disarmament mission.
But the French Colonialists, who betrayed in wartime both the Allies and the Vietnamese, have come back, and are waging on us a murderous and pitiless war in order reestablish their domination. Their invasion has extended to South Vietnam and is menacing us in North Vietnam. It would take volumes to give even an abbreviated report of the crisis and assassinations they are committing everyday in this fighting area.
This aggression is contrary to all principles of international law and the pledge made by the Allies during World War II. It is a challenge to the noble attitude shown before, during, and after the war by the United States Government and People. It violently contrasts with the firm stand you have taken in your twelve point declaration, and with the idealistic loftiness and generosity expressed by your delegates to the United Nations Assembly, MM. BYRNES, STETTINIUS, AND J.F. DULLES.
The French aggression on a peace-loving people is a direct menace to world security. It implies the complicity, or at least the connivance of the Great Democracies. The United Nations ought to keep their words. They ought to interfere to stop this unjust war, and to show that they mean to carry out in peacetime the principles for which they fought in wartime.
Our Vietnamese people, after so many years of spoliation and devastation, is just beginning its building-up work. It needs security and freedom, first to achieve internal prosperity and welfare, and later to bring its small contribution to world-reconstruction.
These security and freedom can only be guaranteed by our independence from any colonial power, and our free cooperation with all other powers. It is with this firm conviction that we request of the United Sates as guardians and champions of World Justice to take a decisive step in support of our independence.
What we ask has been graciously granted to the Philippines. Like the Philippines our goal is full independence and full cooperation with the UNITED STATES. We will do our best to make this independence and cooperation profitable to the whole world.
I am Dear Mr. PRESIDENT,
Respectfully Yours,
(Signed) Ho Chi Minh
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posted on
07/04/2006 5:57:58 AM PDT
by
Puckster
To: allen08gop
One last item:
"Truman never replied to at least eight appeals by Ho Chi Minh for American support of independence and cooperation on the Philippine model. Ho was then compelled to turn to Beijing and Moscow for material aid against returning French troops."
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/11737.html
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:01:57 AM PDT
by
Puckster
To: HansGygi
To be a Liberal you must......
1) Believe that social programs work and that tax cuts fail, no matter how many times you are proven wrong.
2) Believe that getting tough on crime is wrong, but criminals need tolerance from an evil society.
3) Believe that terminating a pregnancy is a choice, but carrying a firearm for self-defense should not be a choice.
4) Believe that one President's sex with an intern is a "personal matter" while another President's previous possible drug habits should be investigated thoroughly.
etc, etc, etc.
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:04:44 AM PDT
by
Erik Latranyi
(The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
To: Archon of the East
Nixon did his best to try to end the Vietnam war with a victory, by doing the unthinkable - releasing the "dogs of war" and bombing the enemy capital! The Dummies who prosecuted the war through the 60's just "sacrificed" Americans rather than use our maximum force to bring the war to an end.
It wasn't the Dummies' way. But it was also too late for Nixon to save the day. The left had won the propaganda war, and millions died when American military protection was withdrawn from the region. It is amazing to me that any thinking person would put their life in the hands of Dummies.
Of course, in recent years, "Moron Trivia" has opened my eyes. We are plagued by a plethora of ignoramuses in this country.
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:05:29 AM PDT
by
GregoryFul
(cheap, immigrant labor built America)
To: HansGygi
My first vote, in 1980, was for Independent John AndersonMe too. But that was only because I was a big Yes fan. Really.
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:06:28 AM PDT
by
P.O.E.
To: HansGygi
An example of the old saying ...If you are not a democrat in your youth you have no heart..if your not a Conservative when your older you have no brains...
To: HansGygi
Welcome to FR.
I left the Democrat Party, when Iran released our hostages 30 minutes after Presiden Reagan was sworn in.
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:37:05 AM PDT
by
babydoll22
(The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't give a s**t how you feel.)
To: kjo
I left the left in 1977, after only 1 year of Carter ( yes, i voted for him, the last democrat i ever voted for )
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:49:47 AM PDT
by
joe fonebone
(Time to bring back tar and feathering.)
To: HansGygi
But I was most disappointed with liberal Jews who dont understand that their very existence is rooted in Israels existence and that George W. Bush has been the best friend that Israel has ever had. But because they are less Jewish than they are liberal, they didnt reward Bush with their vote in 2004.
Exactly! This to me is one of the world's greatest mysteries. A race of people clearly targeted for death, and they willingly vote for leftist politicians who aide and assist their eventual destruction.
Welcome to the good guy side, HansGygi!
To: HansGygi
Excellent post! 9/11 was the wake-up call for me. I watched as the Democrats talking points grew closer and closer to the words of OUR ENEMY's! They are on the same Script and it's down right frightening!
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posted on
07/04/2006 6:56:06 AM PDT
by
divine_moment_of_facts
("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
To: HansGygi
I never was a liberal, but I used to be a subtly anti-American Briton.
It was your guy Eagleburger, offering Britain an Aircraft Carrier during the Falklands war, who converted me. We (luckily) didn't need it, but the generosity of the offer made me realise that the BBC had long been yanking my chain.
To: HansGygi
Welcome home to FR!! Great post. Thanks. Have a joyous 4th of July.
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:11:10 AM PDT
by
GOP Poet
To: HansGygi
A very well written article. Thanks for posting it...
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:19:06 AM PDT
by
tubebender
(Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
To: HansGygi
Wanting war to end is not a sin, being an ass about it is! Welcome Aboard! HG
To: HansGygi
This story is another reminder that liberalism can NOT stand up to critical thinking. It is emotion driven and as such it has to stoked or it will die out. Conservative is an intellectual dish that can be eaten cold. This is why it has a longer shelf life. Nevertheless, like liberalism, conservative must be stoked and fed periodically. The crazy actions of the left serve to stoke both sides. This is at best a 53/47 country. All things even, we will always win but rarely overwhelm.
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:20:08 AM PDT
by
jmaroneps37
(John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
To: HansGygi
"A true liberal today is a combination of socialist, fascist, and hypocrite. They are also rabidly anti-America!"
...let's not forget "arrogant ignorance"...this identifies them to the core.
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT
by
Constitutional Patriot
(Socialism is the cancer of humanity and Hillary is a socialist.)
To: George - the Other
I was a liberal in the early 70's until a radical feminist accused my father, (who she had never met) of being a "baby-killer" because he had served in Vietnam. I realized then that liberals specialized in spouting uninformed hatred.
To: HansGygi
I now refer to the Democrats as the Grassy Knoll party. LOL
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:24:58 AM PDT
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: HansGygi
Its the repellent quality of the Left that's driving moderates out of the Democratic Party. When even a liberal like Lieberman is registering to run as an Independent, that speaks volumes about what is happening to a once great party... its cannibalizing itself.
(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:25:36 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Archon of the East
But why in the hell does Nixon's name get associated with Vietnam? I mean wasn't it exclusively Democrats, Kennedy and Johnson that got us involved and escalated it?
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
Very True. Nixon actually got elected because he maintained he had a secret plan to win the war. The plan was withdrawal and defeat.
To: HansGygi
Great article. Thank you!!!
I will pass this one on!!!
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posted on
07/04/2006 7:26:31 AM PDT
by
jackv
(just shakin' my head)
To: jsh3180
Pretty much the same here....as Winston Churchill predicted
(If you're not a liberal at age 30 you have no heart. If you're not conservative at age 40 you have no brain.)Typical college liberalism hung over me for a while in the 70's, but Rush came along in the 80's and Clinton ticked me off. I realized I'd been fed a load of liberal crap for years and years by Walter Cronkite and company at which time I went firmly conservative.
It's grown to feelings verging upon hate for liberals now. It really got serious when the New Jersey Supremes pulled that Torricelli/Lautenberg switcheroo TOTALLY ignoring the rule of law. That slap in the face was probably the day I signed up for FR, after a few years of lurking.
The 2004 re-elect of W, I thought, would shut the libs down, since it would put an end the 2000 "stolen election" BS. Ahhh, soooo wrong. I did some journalism work and voted democratic and am now embarrassed by, and despise both institutions.
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07/04/2006 7:28:26 AM PDT
by
chiller
(every time we call MSM "mainstream" we confirm their status. "Drive-by" works nicely.)
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