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Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans
DMN/ vis Real Clear Politics ^ | July 7, 2006 | Mark Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT by chiller

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To: MEGoody
"Many Presidents were unknowns outside their own region until they ran"

True.
But many unknowns never gathered any traction during the primaries.
141 posted on 07/07/2006 9:26:55 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
Bernard Kerik being corrupt, is not equal to Rudy being corrupt.

Yes, it is. Kerik's unsavory background was known to some of us long before he pleaded guilty last week to a number of criminal counts related to graft and corruption. A person in a position of authority can't hire a slimy, corrupt greaseball to a high-profile public position and then step away and pretend that the actions of said slimy, corrupt greaseball shouldn't reflect poorly on the person who appointed him.

The fact that Kerik was named police commissioner after serving as Giuliani's personal driver is all you really need to know.

But he have had our share of corrupt oficials. We just had a Republican congressman, "Duke" Cunningham, put in jail for corruption, and currently the Republican governor of Ohio, Bob Taft is mirred in corruption even as we speak.

And neither one of these guys could be re-elected today. If they were Democrats, they'd be front-runners for their party's nomination by a wide margin.

142 posted on 07/07/2006 9:27:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Jameison
Rudy is one of the best mayors New York has ever had, with a very solid record of achievements, including his very tough fight against crime that resulted in huge reductions in murders and crimes of every kind. Even before he became mayor he took and the mafia, and put many of them away.
He is a proven leader alright.

Could you be more specific? Expound on his "very solid record of achievements".

143 posted on 07/07/2006 9:27:49 AM PDT by jla
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To: You Dirty Rats

""Anyone who thinks George Allen would be harder to beat than Rudy is myopic enough to qualify for an extra deduction on their income tax.""

Rudy is perhaps the strongest general election choice for Repubs - that's not the same as saying conservatives should push his nomination. McCain would be strong in the general too - I have the same sorts of concerns there too.


144 posted on 07/07/2006 9:28:13 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Jurisdiction? Arafat's diplomatic immunity?

Name another politician in the US who actually made UN diplomats' lives miserable?

You can belittle anything he did. I have a long list of things he did I disagree with.

If I could built a perfect candidate I might not choose Giuliani.

In the real world, with his accomplishments, no one comes close to him.


145 posted on 07/07/2006 9:28:28 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: Beagle8U
I agree with you 100%. Imagine the irony of a 2008 presidential election in which a Democrat like Mark Warner wins a historic landslide against Rudy Giuliani by mounting a very credible campaign as the more conservative candidate!
146 posted on 07/07/2006 9:30:00 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Jameison
But many unknowns never gathered any traction during the primaries.

True as well. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

147 posted on 07/07/2006 9:30:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: jla; Alberta's Child; LiveFree99; PzLdr
Rudolfo will rue the day he listened to The Everything-For-Us-Nothing-For-You airheads urging him into the 2008 race, brandishing phony popularity polls.

Thing is Rudy actually believes he is that popular (snicker), another indication he is pathetically in denial.

Go ahead Rudy---throw your hat into the ring. You gonna be blown out of the water so fast, you won't know what hitcha, Your Honor.

148 posted on 07/07/2006 9:30:56 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: gondramB

You make an excellent point about Chief Executive type.

GWB actually was a private sector CEO before he was Governor. Most Presidents lately have been former Governors or at least ran an organization (GHWB - CIA) before they became President.

Senators, on the other hand, only run their mouths. Other than the Leaders of the Senate, leadership is not needed in the Senate -- in fact, being a narcissistic jackass is what defines most Senators on BOTH sides of the Aisle (Kerry, Kennedy, Biden, Cryin'vich, Stevens, etc).

Yet another reason why someone like George Allen is not a realistic option IMHO. If he wants to be President, then become Governor first and prove you can run something.


149 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:12 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: chiller

I'd vote for Rudi too....


150 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:18 AM PDT by Fawn (BUILD A LONG TALL WALL)
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To: Liz

Giuliani has severed all ties to Kerik.

If you want to judge Giuliani a criteria could be who lies about him.

They lie about him from both the Left, and the far crazy Right.


151 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:37 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: chiller

Bernie Kerik.


152 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:48 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: chiller
Allen is steady, but not dynamic. Rudy is that in spades.

Yes, Rudy is a dynamic Far Left Republican...A Liberal Republican...

And completely unacceptable to a Conservative...

153 posted on 07/07/2006 9:31:59 AM PDT by Iscool (President Bush loves AMNESTY...But he hates the DICTIONARY...)
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To: Beagle8U
"Rudy isn't electable"

As at today, he is the most electable prospective Republican candidate for 2008.


"The NRA and Right to Life will crush him"

I am not even sure either of those organizations is going to back McCain, or determine who wins the Republican primary even if they don't back Rudy.
Rudy can easily win the primaries in the Blue State plenty of Red States as well to win the the nomination
154 posted on 07/07/2006 9:32:10 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Liz
"You gonna be blown out of the water so fast, you won't know what hitcha, Your Honor."

Famous last words?
Hope you have plenty of crow prepared for 2008. :)
155 posted on 07/07/2006 9:34:36 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: You Dirty Rats
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Yet another reason why someone like George Allen is not a realistic option IMHO. If he wants to be President, then become Governor first and prove you can run something.<<

Yep, what we need is a conservative Republican governor , preferably from a big state - the best would be a big purple state.
156 posted on 07/07/2006 9:35:43 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

He and McCain could split a similar vote in NH.

But if he won NH, any candidate the extreme Right would use to prevent him getting the nomination, if they succeed, will get killed in November.


157 posted on 07/07/2006 9:37:17 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: jla

Allen doesn't have the name recognition...I could be wrong, and I don't know all that much about Allen, except that I don't know much. What has Allen done to combat terrorism? I know that Guiliani is tough, that he did the unthinkable in New York, which was to clean it up. I moved from New York before he came to power, and when I returned, I did not recognize the City I left. Hey, I'm open to Allen...I have to find out more about him. This article was about if it came down to McCain or Guiliani. And I do care about Christian values...but it's not the most important thing to me in a President. And that's me being honest.


158 posted on 07/07/2006 9:38:08 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If Rudy took a stance on Judicial nominiations similar to Bush's -- judges that will follow original intent and not invent new laws -- he'd go a long way to get a lot of GOP votes. As far as abortion and gays, this is the area where a President has the most influence.


159 posted on 07/07/2006 9:38:51 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: You Dirty Rats

"Yet another reason why someone like George Allen is not a realistic option IMHO. If he wants to be President, then become Governor first and prove you can run something."

If you have ever had any creditability in a political debate, it is now gone with that silly statement.


160 posted on 07/07/2006 9:38:59 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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