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Giuliani's Convictions Could Win Over Republicans
DMN/ vis Real Clear Politics ^ | July 7, 2006 | Mark Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 7:32:14 AM PDT by chiller

Twenty-eight months to go, and I can't wait.

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Since Condi insists she isn't interested - and for the moment I believe her - speculation ranges from base-pleasing Republicans like Sens. Bill Frist, Sam Brownback and my current favorite, George Allen, to the intriguing prospects of envelope-pushers like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani.

And these two intriguing figures constitute my point of the day. There are two things I have stopped saying: first, Mr. McCain can't win, and second, Rudy won't run.

I still don't believe Mr. McCain will be the '08 nominee, but his loyal support for the war has healed some distaste that the GOP base has had for him since he challenged Mr. Bush six years ago. His disconnect with many Republicans on overhauling campaign finance is still an anvil around his prospects, but I can no longer write him off.

As for Mr. Giuliani, I used to say that he won't run and couldn't win if he did. The gay-friendly, abortion-rights-supporting ex-New York mayor whose legacy includes an embrace of gun control? It would seem highly unlikely.

Unless you were in a room with me at the Hotel Crescent Court last month as the Dallas County Republican Party welcomed Mr. Giuliani to a fundraiser also heralding local congressional candidates.

I served as master of ceremonies, and there was a thoroughly polite welcome for the GOP primary survivors who will try to unseat Reps. Eddie Bernice Johnson and Chet Edwards.

But it was Mr. Giuliani who put a room of Reagan-loving red-staters into a positive swoon.

He did it with steadfast support for the Bush war doctrine, coupled with a passion for tight borders that even the still-admired incumbent cannot muster. He did it with strong fiscal conservatism, another Bush weakness. And he did it with a passionate pitch for school choice, an issue Republicans have neglected - mysteriously, since scads of Republicans and Democrats want it.

His content was great. His style was even better. His sharp wit and off-the-cuff comfort are miles beyond the average glazed, scripted politician. He sports a good-natured partisan streak that puts him a head above Mr. McCain, who seems to gag on any sentence suggesting that a Democrat might be wrong.

This is not my prediction that Mr. Giuliani's hand will rest on a Bible at the swearing-in on Jan. 20, 2009. But the Bible-embracing core of the GOP shows a willingness to consider him as he includes evangelical groups in his curious tour of various Republican constituencies.

He will not launch a national gun grab, leaving gun statutes to the cities. He will not push for nationwide gay marriage, happy to leave those decisions to the states, where the Constitution says they belong. He will not pound the bully pulpit for affirmative action, leaving that to the courts.

And speaking of the courts, he speaks glowingly of Mr. Bush's Supreme Court selections, Samuel Alito and John Roberts, suggesting he does not necessarily dream of packing the court with sure-fire abortion-rights opponents.

Throw in the tasty imagery of the Mayor of America wiping the debate stage floor with Mrs. Clinton or virtually anyone else, and it's the kind of thing to make a Republican heart quicken.

I don't know yet whether I can be a Rudy voter, but I'd enjoy watching him try to make me one.

Mark Davis is a columnist for the Dallas Morning News. The Mark Davis Show is heard weekdays nationwide on the ABC Radio Network. His e-mail address is mdavis@wbap.com.


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To: Alberta's Child; jla; LiveFree99
"Any slim chance Rudy had in 2008 took another big hit last week when Bernie Kerik -- Rudy's former police commissioner and the guy Rudy himself recommended to the White House to head the Department of Homeland Security -- was publicly exposed as the corrupt SOB many of us already knew he was."

Bernie and Rudy are business partners doing global security consulting. This means that if Rudy got into the WH, Kerik would be looking over all those FBI files.

121 posted on 07/07/2006 9:16:46 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: gondramB

Ronald Reagan had no Washington experience whatsoever. He was head of the Screen Actors Guild with NO political standing until he gave a great speech supporting B. Goldwater. Then he became Governor of California.

I guess using your criteria, Reagan wouldn't get your vote for the Republican nomination. Ford, Rockefeller and GHW Bush would all be better nominees because they have Washington experience, right?


122 posted on 07/07/2006 9:17:53 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Alberta's Child

The entire establishment of NYC, including Jews like Ed Koch, came down on him for throwing Arafat out.

You leave out his explanation for the act. It had nothing to do with Israel.

He said that as the third highest official in the Reagan Justice Dept, he had actual knowledge that Arafat was directly guilty of the murder of two US diplomats, Ambassador Cleo Noel and U.S. Charges d'affaires George Curtis Moore.

You can always dismiss what someone has done but the fact remains that he- and only he- did what was needed. No one before and no one since.


123 posted on 07/07/2006 9:18:46 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice is Harriet Miers at State.)
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To: Liz
>>Bernie and Rudy are business partners doing global security consulting. This means that if Rudy got into the WH, Kerik would be looking over all those FBI files.<<

I'm not a Guiliani supporter but I thought he had distanced himself from Bernie after the Homeland Security debacle.
124 posted on 07/07/2006 9:19:20 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: areafiftyone

Maybe the question should be phrased this way:

If one was a 'Rat Presidential election consultant, which Republican Nominee would be the hardest to beat?

Anyone who thinks George Allen would be harder to beat than Rudy is myopic enough to qualify for an extra deduction on their income tax.


125 posted on 07/07/2006 9:20:16 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Alberta's Child
"In case you haven't noticed this over the years, Republicans have much higher standards when it comes to this kind of thing. "

Republicans are better people than RATS.
No question about that.
But he have had our share of corrupt oficials.
We just had a Republican congressman, "Duke" Cunningham, put in jail for corruption, and currently the Republican governor of Ohio, Bob Taft is mirred in corruption even as we speak.
Bernard Kerik being corrupt, is not equal to Rudy being corrupt.
It's like saying President Bush is corrupt because he used to be friends with Ken Lay.
It's a non-issue.
126 posted on 07/07/2006 9:20:34 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Sabramerican
He said that as the third highest official in the Reagan Justice Dept, he had actual knowledge that Arafat was directly guilty of the murder of two US diplomats, Ambassador Cleo Noel and U.S. Charges d'affaires George Curtis Moore.

Pardon my French, but then why didn't he have the f#cker arrested?

127 posted on 07/07/2006 9:20:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Liz; Alberta's Child; LiveFree99
Bernie and Rudy are business partners doing global security consulting

SORRY YOU ARE WRONG! Kerik is NO LONGER a business partner with Rudy.

128 posted on 07/07/2006 9:20:46 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: Beagle8U

Rudy is electable. No one else is at this point. It's very doubtful that Allen is electable out of his region he's an unknown.


129 posted on 07/07/2006 9:20:46 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: Liz

Karl Rove went and met with Guiliani early on this year which means one thing: this is the guy they are going to promote. Bush won't go out on a limb for McCain, and there isn't anyone else out there to fight the war on terror that Bush could feel comfortable handing the sword to after he leaves. It's got to be a hawk and Guiliani will be that guy. The moral issues are frankly ones that the gov't has been TOO much involved in and should be ratcheted back down to the states levels. And he'll get the New York vote, even over Hillary and that's a whole lot of electoral votes.


130 posted on 07/07/2006 9:21:12 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: You Dirty Rats

"Anyone who thinks George Allen would be harder to beat than Rudy is myopic enough to qualify for an extra deduction on their income tax."

LOL!




131 posted on 07/07/2006 9:21:23 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: You Dirty Rats
Anyone who thinks George Allen would be harder to beat than Rudy is myopic enough to qualify for an extra deduction on their income tax.

I totally agree!

132 posted on 07/07/2006 9:22:20 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: chiller
I would't vote for Rudy in the primary, but given a choice between Rudy and the Dem candidate, Rudy will get my vote.

Now, if my two choices in the primary are Rudy and McCain, hmmm. . .I'd have to think that one over.

133 posted on 07/07/2006 9:22:47 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: tkathy
It's very doubtful that Allen is electable out of his region he's an unknown.

Many Presidents were unknowns outside their own region until they ran.

134 posted on 07/07/2006 9:24:09 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: chiller
We'll never have a "perfect" candidate. If Rudy would make a positive statement on the Second Amendment and state publicly that he believes in the right of private citizens to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Constitution and if he would pledge to leave the abortion question to the states I could vote for him.
135 posted on 07/07/2006 9:24:49 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: tkathy
" It's very doubtful that Allen is electable out of his region he's an unknown."


As at now, Allen is not even close to Hitlery in the polls.
But of course, I'd vote for Allen if he should win the Republican nomination.
136 posted on 07/07/2006 9:25:26 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Hildy
Because, Hildy, Giuliani will never be accepted by the Christian Right, nor by a majority of conservatives, Christian or not.
He has not done one, single, solitary thing to combat terrorism, yet folks elevate this former mayor to superman status. Why?
That's not rhetorically asked, I honestly wish I knew why people think this man is capable of leading this nation against the terrorist threat.
Hildy, I realize that you are not as concerned with issues such as abortion and marriage as I and many others are. But I know you are a conservative in fiscal and defense matters, so tell me what compels you to think Giuliani to be more-than-satisfactory in these areas?

I myself, at this point in time, support Allen. He can sweep the South and non-coastal western states, assuring us a victory in '08.
As a former governor and current senator, he is just as, if not more, qualified than a former mayor to lead the WOT, plus he has a proven record of conservatism in economical, cultural, defense, immigration and all other facets of government.

137 posted on 07/07/2006 9:25:26 AM PDT by jla
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To: You Dirty Rats
>>Ronald Reagan had no Washington experience whatsoever. He was head of the Screen Actors Guild with NO political standing until he gave a great speech supporting B. Goldwater. Then he became Governor of California.

I guess using your criteria, Reagan wouldn't get your vote for the Republican nomination. Ford, Rockefeller and GHW Bush would all be better nominees because they have Washington experience, right?<<

I didn't say that. I merely pointed out his minimal Washington experience - that's not the only criteria of course. As mayor he is a chief executive type - like Governor Reagan. Chief executive experience is important too - one reason governors are elected President more often than Senators.

BTW, GHW Bush41 did a good job. With an unexpected war you have a choice between raising taxes and running a large deficit. Since Reagan, his predecessor had run the largest deficit in history Bush41 did the economically correct thing.

He ran the gulf war as well as any war in history and kept good foreign relations. I'd vote for him now if he was younger.
138 posted on 07/07/2006 9:26:14 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: princess leah

If Rudy runs, he'd be the favorite to win the New Hampshire Primary.

He would be a lock for most if not all of the Northeast states. I would think he would do well in the large Midwest states also.

He'd be the favorite for California.

Most importantly, he's supporting Republican candidates all over the country this year and making LOTS of friends.

I think Rudy is the favorite to win the nomination if he runs. I don't see anyone out there at this point who could beat him.

BUT, as a poster said, it's still early.


139 posted on 07/07/2006 9:26:19 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: tkathy

"Rudy is electable. No one else is at this point. It's very doubtful that Allen is electable out of his region he's an unknown."

Rudy isn't electable. The NRA and Right to Life will crush him, the base would never nominate such a liberal twit.

Perfect mayor for a liberal city, that is as far as he will ever go politically.


140 posted on 07/07/2006 9:26:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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