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Broken Borders: Broken Promises (Simcox-Minuteman)
ABC 15 Investigators ^ | 4/27/2006 | Staff

Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; corruption; culturekillers; deception; disinformation; fraud; hitpiece; immigrantlist; immigration; lies; mcdc; minuteman; minutemen; moonbatoblers; murthatheminutemen; obljudas; ohplease; openborderliars; propaganda; simcox; wherestheposse
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To: axes_of_weezles
The trenches and concertina wire as presented in the original design were not conducive to healthy cattle.

I don't understand why they didn't put in the lightweight cattle fence to keep the cattle away from this fence, then install the one that would keep people out.

A barbed wire fence is not going to keep people out.

681 posted on 07/09/2006 4:53:17 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Rex Anderson

if everything is honest, what is the problem with opening the books... and, if this operation has tax exempt status from the IRSm tehn they have to make their returns public... if they don't they can lose their status and all their donors can get burned badly.


682 posted on 07/09/2006 4:54:08 PM PDT by PDR
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To: axes_of_weezles; Howlin; Texasforever
Ask their spokesperson, Connie Hair, A former freeper Clinton's a Liar, BTW, to provide you with the information you seek or to a reference to their organization and spending/financial documents. If they do not give them to you I would be surprised.

*snicker*

Do you think she has more credibility because she's a former FReeper?

683 posted on 07/09/2006 4:55:12 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia

There are multiple posts of the pictures of the 5 strand fence at Jack Ladd's, as well as explanations of why that's the only fence built, I posted directly from their forum and their own internal information. It says they are ordering steel for the fence, the fence is being built on private property, they had to find ranchers who are willing to have an Israeli style fence put up, (they do now, Ladd would not permit one on his property - he's the landowner), Cochise County supervisors are refusing to provide building permits, and someone is tearing up the 5 strand fence that was already put up.

I did not mean to say you were the one making all the accusations, Texasforever, Howlin and some other posters did.


684 posted on 07/09/2006 5:02:55 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: 1035rep

postage and list rental are expensive... didn't you know that?


685 posted on 07/09/2006 5:06:34 PM PDT by PDR
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To: Amelia

You know there are former Freepers who have made similar accusations about this site and lack of spending and financial documents.

Do you hold Free Republic to the same standard?


686 posted on 07/09/2006 5:06:44 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Rex Anderson

any of deese guys n da union?


687 posted on 07/09/2006 5:12:33 PM PDT by PDR
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To: Amelia

"The trenches and concertina wire as presented in the original design were not conducive to healthy cattle.

I don't understand why they didn't put in the lightweight cattle fence to keep the cattle away from this fence, then install the one that would keep people out.

A barbed wire fence is not going to keep people out."


Because the rancher who owns the property did not give them permission to. Initially he did; then backed out when he personnally got pressure from the local OBL'ers. The Minutmen gave them what he wanted and a site to put up and Israeli style fence.


688 posted on 07/09/2006 5:20:06 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: claudiustg; raybbr
It's not a 'nasty personal attack.'

Cartoon Ray lies repeatedly, saying others support open borders when it's not even close to the truth.

When he stops lying, I'll stop pointing out the truth. Until then, I'll call a spade a spade.

If you know Cartoon Ray, maybe you can convince him to stop lying. He obviously doesn't care what the majority of freepers think about him........nor about conveying accurate information.

689 posted on 07/09/2006 6:14:08 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Peach
Said freeper obviously has 'issues' with truthfulness.

There's a pattern here among some of these border manics, Peach.........and I think it's root has absolutely nothing to do with the issue itself.

690 posted on 07/09/2006 6:17:21 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: axes_of_weezles
You know there are former Freepers who have made similar accusations about this site and lack of spending and financial documents.

Apples and Oranges

Care to elaborate on your point? (see bold above)

691 posted on 07/09/2006 6:31:08 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: axes_of_weezles
The media part is where Connie is working.

Simcox and his splinter MM group would have more street cred if they took the 100+K publicist salary (paid by donors for a fence) and built an actual fence.

Why does Simcox say he needs $55 mil more?

692 posted on 07/09/2006 6:39:02 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

If you have been around here long enough; there were individuals who did and do make the same types of accusations against Jim R. They left and started their own sites. Yes there was a point in time when FR did not have financial breakdowns posted and it was a similar argument as you are making against the MM and Simcox.

FR did not go away and I dont think the MM will either.


693 posted on 07/09/2006 6:55:08 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
Oh, bite me, weezle.

FR is an LLC. Ping me to the DONATE TO FR TO BUILD A FENCE thread.

Forget Simcox is most likely a crook. Is the following, from a March 2003 speech to the California Coalition on Immigration Reform, the rantings of a sane man?

"Take heed of our weapons because we're going to defend our borders by any means necessary," Simcox said. "There's something very fishy going on at the border. The Mexican army is driving American vehicles -- but carrying Chinese weapons. I have personally seen what I can only believe to be Chinese troops."

If you want to send money to provide border security, DON'T send it to Simcox. Find a reputable organization to support.

694 posted on 07/09/2006 7:05:45 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Rex Anderson

Why are you looking for answers here for the MM?

If you are looking for dirt, go to the ACLU, No More Deaths, or Tucson Weekly leftist sites.

FR is not the Minutemen, that's why there no "donate to a fence" link here.

According to the MM documentation they want a couple of miles of substantial fence. It cost Israel billions to do theirs.

Concrete and Steel is expensive today; you expect them to make their own?


You are barking at the moon. If you have charges against the MM, ask them, not posters on this forum.


695 posted on 07/09/2006 7:16:37 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: ohioWfan

"Open Border Lobby" means you do not bow down and worship Tom Tancredo, Pat Buchanan, and Alan Keyes. It also means you do not think Simcox is the second coming of Christ and are not willing to send him your life savings. Lastly, it means you do not favor Soviet style border patrol.


696 posted on 07/09/2006 7:20:06 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: COEXERJ145
Agree on all three points.

They throw the 'open border' accusation at everyone who doesn't share their obsession.

I truly believe that those of us who oppose their extremism on this forum are the ones who actually care about securing the border, and that many, or most of them don't.

They do use the issue as a weapon............thoughtful consideration of the facts doesn't seem to enter the picture...........nor, in this case, does telling the truth.

697 posted on 07/09/2006 7:26:01 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: COEXERJ145

Cant you find another thread to disrupt with your anoxia?

Is this thread about Buchanan, Tancredo or Keyes?


698 posted on 07/09/2006 7:27:22 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: ohioWfan

And exactly what "facts" have you posted on this thread?


699 posted on 07/09/2006 7:28:26 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: ohioWfan
They don't want a solution just like Tancredo and Simcox don't. They want the issue. The two border pimps are busy making millions of dollars by fleecing their followers. If something is truly done about illegal immigration, that well will instantly dry up. Simcox will have to think up a new scam and Tancredo will have to go back to being another unknown CongressCritter.
700 posted on 07/09/2006 7:28:53 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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