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1 posted on 07/10/2006 8:14:31 AM PDT by steve-b
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I am very curious to know who appointed this liberal to the bench.


2 posted on 07/10/2006 8:16:25 AM PDT by MBB1984
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In the vast majority of Hollyweird products, sex, violence, and fowl language serves no purpose in plot.


3 posted on 07/10/2006 8:17:54 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Anyone offended by content shouldn't buy the DVD. This judge made the right decision.

I bought the sanitized version of Deadwood....../s

5 posted on 07/10/2006 8:18:48 AM PDT by zarf (Italian Kid: My father can beat up your father! Jewish Kid: Big deal, so can my mother!)
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I don't know how they even thought it could be legal, since by cutting bits you are creating a derivative work, which is still covered by copyright and thus distribution is controlled by the copyright holder.


6 posted on 07/10/2006 8:19:20 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: steve-b

Very good decision.

If you're offended by said content, don't watch!


7 posted on 07/10/2006 8:19:35 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Down with Half-Assery!)
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So a movie can be edited and cleaned up for broadcast on network TV, but not for sale as a DVD or tape?


9 posted on 07/10/2006 8:20:07 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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You don't have the right to not be offended. You do have the right to supervise what your kids (and yourself) do and do not watch on TV.

Personally I've always disliked the post-editing of movies. It's stupid.


14 posted on 07/10/2006 8:21:08 AM PDT by TheZMan (Proud supporter of the anti-conservopussy movement.)
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heh.. i remember the first time i saw Top Gun it was "scrubbed". i didn't even understand the movie because nobody ever seemed to finish a sentance.


24 posted on 07/10/2006 8:23:40 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: steve-b

This is another liberal decision from the bench at the insistence of leftist producers that is conveniently devoid of both legal reasoning and legal precedent.


25 posted on 07/10/2006 8:23:54 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn’t about birds. It was about power.)
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I wonder how this ruling with effect Glantz and company and their push to remove all traces of smoking from the old classics?


27 posted on 07/10/2006 8:24:39 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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I agree with Matsch's decision for the simple reason that these companies are reproducing the films without authorization in violation of copyright laws.

If Hollywood was smart, they'd follow what the record companies have been doing for years --releasing "clean" and "unedited" CDs. Incidentally, Larry Flynt does the same thing --releasing "softcore" versions of his hardcore films for certain markets. He's been able to sell his "soft" films on Amazon.com and I'm sure his wallet is a little thicker as a result.

32 posted on 07/10/2006 8:25:42 AM PDT by Drew68
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Darn. I guess this means I won't be getting that cleaned-up version of Basic Instinct 2. Now I'll never know who gets it in the end.


37 posted on 07/10/2006 8:27:10 AM PDT by new cruelty
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In the vast majority of Hollyweird products, sex, violence, and fowl language serves no purpose in plot.

I hear you. They do things in movies just because they can. I understand why Saving Private Ryan was a violent movie; you couldn't tell the story accurately without it (and it is definitely a story worth telling). But other movies they have sex and violence just to revel in it.

I am an aspiring writer and I deal with the issue a bit myself. The badguys in my book are really, really evil. I have to balance between being too gratuitous and being too sanitary. Truly evil characters can't be nice; otherwise they wouldn't be evil.
50 posted on 07/10/2006 8:33:04 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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I saw an edited broadcast edition of Animal House once.

.....saying it was not the same is a gross understatement. It was unrecognizable.

There are properties that were made to be shown one way...lets leave it at that and if you are a prig, then avoid it.

ps. I dont even like directors cuts of my favorite movies...the excesses of some directors are sometimes worse than the deletions.


53 posted on 07/10/2006 8:34:47 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein(the moon is a harsh mistress))
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DVD-editing software raises ire of Hollywood, interest of courts

6/29/05

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/NEWS/05/0629software.html

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. — What Hollywood studios call censorship and copyright infringement, software companies call freedom and parental choice. Any wonder that the legal issues raised by new film software is winding up in the courts and before Congress?

The technology that has Hollywood angry allows consumers to skip over scenes and mute words of copyrighted films. The technology comes in several forms. CleanFlicks Media offers more than 700 DVD movies that are digitally edited to remove profanity, nudity, graphic violence and sexual content. CleanFlicks says it complies with copyright law by buying a copy of each video it edits. The edited videos are then rented to consumers by the Utah-based video chain.

On the other end of the software spectrum, ClearPlay licenses what it calls advanced parental control filters on DVD players. The filter skips movie frames based on a menu of options selected by the viewer, deleting scenes containing violence, sexual situations, vain references to God, ethnic slurs and other objectionable content. Unlike CleanFlicks, ClearPlay does not edit the movie; instead it sells software that controls how the movie is displayed on the home screen.

What the two companies share, however, is the contention that Hollywood studios, despite owning the copyrights to movies, “should not dictate what people watch in their own homes,” writes Carrie A. Beyer in the University of Illinois Law Review.

“The studios, on the other hand, claim that third-party editors violate their copyrights by copying or altering the content of their movies,” wrote Beyer, an editor at the law journal. The conflict between the parties is, at its essence, who controls movie content after it leaves the big screen.

Beyer pointed out that there is a long history of editing or censoring books for commercial as well as moral reasons. “Condensed books leave the major storyline intact, but remove words or descriptions that an editor deems superfluous.” Wal-Mart refuses to sell CDs that require the attachment of a parental advisory sticker. “Artists producing explicit music, therefore, must choose between creating a ‘clean’ version for Wal-Mart to sell and simply not selling the music through that particular retailer,” Beyer wrote.

In the world of home-viewed movies, the next step could be changing an image on the screen to match a user’s preference. In one display of the power of emerging technology, a company showed a revised version of the nude-sketch scene in “Titanic,” in which the actress Kate Winslet appeared, not unclothed as in the original, but clad in a computer-generated image of a corset.

Needless to say, litigation is under way. In a pre-emptive move, CleanFlicks sued Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, Robert Redford and other prominent directors in Colorado federal court seeking a declaratory judgment that its activities are lawful.

The directors countersued, for what they say are violations of the federal Lanham Act (for false designation of origin) and unfair competition under California law. They have included ClearPlay and other content filterers as counterclaim defendants.

The filmmakers charge that the companies are trading on their names by wrongly circulating versions of their movies that they never approved of. Hollywood studios, meanwhile, allege that the cleaned-up movies are both “second-generation copies” with inferior technical standards and “derivative works” of copyrighted material, thus violate the trademark-dilution provisions of the Lanham Act as well as U.S. copyright laws.

Analyzing the sundry legal arguments, Beyer concluded that copyright laws are elastic and that technology will continue to alter the boundaries of copyright infringement, leaving directors and studios a step behind third-party editors with the latest digital equipment.

“By releasing their own ‘clean’ versions of the films, the studios would meet the demands of consumers while maintaining control over the copyrighted work,” Beyer wrote. “Studios could either produce an entirely separate DVD or include a ‘clean’ version on the same DVD as the original movie.”

By competing in the edited-movie market, she noted, the studios could undercut the fair-use defense of the editing companies and reassert a filmmaker’s right to protect intellectual property. Filmmakers already cut big-screen movies for television programming and for “airline movies.”

In April 2005, Congress clarified aspects of the dispute by passing the Family Entertainment and Copyright Act. The law made it a federal offense to videotape a movie in a movie theater and increased the criminal penalties for pirating material from a film, especially pre-release material.

On the other hand, Congress amended the copyright law to make it lawful for ClearPlay and other companies to distribute filters to a “household for private home viewing from an authorized copy of (a) motion picture.”

The law, however, did not address the Lanham Act arguments against ClearPlay and others for dilution of a movie product, and did not protect film “masking” that adds or substitutes material to a film rather than skips over or mutes objectionable passages.

In short, expect more litigation as well as unforeseen consequences – such as technology that takes the clothes off of actors in G-rated movies.

Beyer’s article is titled “Fighting for Control: Movie Studios and the Battle Over Third-Party Revisions.”


55 posted on 07/10/2006 8:35:22 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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The court sided with private contracts. All parties agree to honor their respective responsibilities as stated in the contract. 

So sad that there are people that feel (not that they thought rationally about the issue) that private contracts can be abused and/or broken and that they also want the court to negate private contracts.

62 posted on 07/10/2006 8:38:13 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: steve-b

this was the correct decision.


69 posted on 07/10/2006 8:40:41 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Xenalyte; Allegra; pax_et_bonum; Hap; Bacon Man; Flyer
"Axing Sex"

Ain't that the fust thing whatchoo does wit a ho?

75 posted on 07/10/2006 8:43:20 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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I have a question.....

What if, instead of editing the movie, the company offered a digital sequence that would be input (somehow) into your DVR that told the DVR what timeslices to skip and where to insert "bleeps" or other editing techniques? A person would buy the un-edited version of the movie and play it "using" the on-the-fly editing technique. It would be somewhat like using a DVR to skip commercials.

91 posted on 07/10/2006 8:50:59 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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"Remix" audiotapes have existed for decades.

Too late to claim it is criminal now.

The musicians will even slip some exclusive cuts (in violation of their own contracts) to hip producers/DJs.


93 posted on 07/10/2006 8:52:51 AM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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