"My Mama always said, Stupid is as Stupid does."
Posted on 07/10/2006 6:30:32 PM PDT by Jean S
Edited on 07/10/2006 6:31:38 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Lecturer denounces critics of his 9-11 teachings - 'Inside job' theory draws calls for firing, UW probe
A University of Wisconsin-Madison lecturer who has sparked controversy by teaching that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were an inside job lashed out Sunday at public officials who have questioned his right to teach.
Speaking at a gathering at UW-Milwaukee, Kevin Barrett took aim at state Rep. Stephen Nass (R-Whitewater), U.S. Rep. Mark Green (R-Wis.) and Gov. Jim Doyle.
Doyle, a Democrat, joined the chorus of critics Friday by questioning whether Barrett has the "capacity to teach students in this state."
"I've been teaching for 20 years," Barrett told a crowd of more than 100, many of them cheering supporters. "I dare say I know more about teaching than the governor of the state."
The public sparring came as UW-Madison concludes a 10-day review of Barrett. The university is expected to announce early this week whether the part-time lecturer will be allowed to teach a class on Islam this fall, and if so, whether he will be able to share his theories on 9-11, as he plans to do.
UW spokesman Dennis Chaptman, who attended Sunday's event, said he was not in a position to comment.
Barrett, a bearded man with unkempt hair, said in an interview that he had met with Provost Patrick Farrell twice last week. The provost, Barrett said, never suggested that he would be prevented from teaching the fall course titled, "Islam: Religion and Culture," at a salary of $8,247.
He said Farrell was open to his including theories that the Bush administration planned the 9-11 attacks for its own benefit in the class. Barrett has discussed these theories in a previous class on folklore.
"Basically, the rules of the university are such that it would be a gross violation of academic freedom to fire me," said Barrett, 47, who earned his PhD in African languages and literature from UW-Madison in 2004. "I don't think they'll stand in the way of my teaching. I think I'll basically be able to stick with the syllabus as it currently stands."
The theories that Barrett plans to include in his upcoming course are espoused by a small but vocal group of academics that includes Steven Jones, a physicist from Brigham Young University; David Ray Griffin, a retired professor from the Claremont School of Theology; and James H. Fetzer, a retired philosophy professor from the University of Minnesota-Duluth.
Fetzer, a burly man with a booming voice, co-chairs a group called 9/11 Scholars for Truth. He outlined the theories at Sunday's gathering, saying:
• Explosives must have been detonated inside the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, because the impact of the airplanes was not enough to bring down the twin towers.
• That the damage to the Pentagon was such that a smaller military plane, as opposed to a large commercial aircraft, must have flown into the Pentagon, shooting a missile as it went.
• That the debris of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was scattered so widely that it must have been shot down.
• That half a dozen of the men who are said to have hijacked the planes are still living in the Middle East.
"It's a myth," Fetzer said of the generally accepted view that Islamic terrorists were behind the attacks. "The American government has been practicing terrorism on its own people."
Barrett told the crowd that the Bush administration orchestrated the attacks to justify invading Iraq. He said the purpose to the war was to take control of oil and other resources in the Middle East.
"The 9-11 images were designed to make us stupid, little children," he said.
Nass has called on UW-Madison's chancellor, John Wiley, to fire Barrett, arguing that it is unacceptable for Barrett to use the university to add credibility to "outlandish claims."
Green, who is running for governor, has said that no public funding should be used to support Barrett's teaching.
Mark Graul, a spokesman for Green, said "that he's being paid to teach this garbage is putting a black eye on the whole state. There is no merit to his theory. All you had to have was a TV to know what happened on 9-11."
But many of those who attended Sunday's gathering disagreed.
John Boly, a literature professor at Marquette University, said Barrett should be able to share his theories in the classroom.
Maryann Stubbs, a computer programmer at UW-Madison, agreed. "I think that all viewpoints should be covered," she said.
Rick Goyett, a 21-year-old auto mechanic from Whitefish Bay, was convinced by the presentations.
"All you need is common sense to believe that 9-11 was an inside job," he said.
This guy makes Ward Churchill look positively brilliant.
This LOSER was just on Hannity & Colmes...he needs a straight jacket.
I've been pooping for more than 50, Professor. It's still poop.
This Clymer was just on "Hannity and Colmes." I only saw the last half the interview but the guy looked like a total moron. I guess facts don't mean anything in academia anymore.
He makes PH look smart!
Misguided youth confuses nonsense with common sense...
I saw him too. The word "unhinged" came to mind.
I have heard this freak on talk radio. He gives foolish a new definition.
"Rick Goyett, a 21 year old auto mechanic, from Whitefish Bay, was convinced by the representations. 'All you need is common sense to see that 9/11 was an inside job, he said'."
Yup, yup, mister mechanic (not that there is anything wrong with that)...I am SURE you believed it....sheesh
Teach the all theories, including ID (Internal Demolition)
Doug, Governor Doyle has recused himself from this issue. He says the UW chancellor is the one who should deal with this.
The chancellor was appointed by Doyle.
Ever wonder why our aircraft carriers were in port at Pearl Harbor?
Because they were the ones that carried out the attack. That's right -- FDR had our planes painted up to look like Zeros and sank our own fleet.
End sarcasm.
That is how nutty this "professor" sounds.
Didn't you just love when he said that Fox News should be forced of the air because of how "radical" they are??? LOL
It's funny the things you can get away with teaching under the auspices of "academic freedom", and the things you can't.
If he taught that the Crusades were justified, he would probably already be looking for a job.
I've been pooping for more than 50, Professor. It's still poop.
Bet yours exits in the correct spot.
Oh, BS!!!! I teach at a university. See how far I'd get if I espoused that Jews are money-grubbing world dominators who prey on innocent Christians. Suppose I also lectured that white Arayans where the highest form of human being and all other peoples and races where subhuman? Suppose I lectured that George W Bush was God incarnate on Earth and we all had to worship Him? Suppose I lectured that homosexuality was a gross perversion and AIDS was God's punishment or that women needed to be kept pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen cooking men food and fetching men beer.
The list of things one CAN'T say in university is almost endless. The protected classes, races, sexes, and sexual orietations are forbidden for lecture, discussion, intelligent or plain stupid. You just can't say it!!!!!
What course is he teaching? How is it that this stuff even comes up?
Did the islamists spike the water up there?
His course is the history of Islam. He has admitted that he introduces his 9/11 theories in his classes including his theory that 9/11 was orchestrated by Cheney.
hehe...I don't know...but if I had a child going to college there...I would yank them out so fast they wouldn't know what hit them..
Madison, WI, no suprise. "Berzerkly North".
After all, they have countless threads about how Bush blew up the World Trade Center.
My son has a math degree from UW. He started the first Objectivist club there and it's still going strong.
There is some hope among the students, no hope from the government though.
*snicker*
This guy is nuts. He believes that aliens from outer space may be running the world.
You can't learn to think by just listening to a whole bunch of different views, and thinking is what we need more of, not anything goes common sense.
UW instructor's letter ridicules Doyle
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Doyle is a wimp about this issue. He's ducking it.
Okay...I am really going to show my ignorance here..what is an Objectivist Club?
There is always hope. Don't let the barking moonbats cloud the 15% of UW students who make sense (College Republicans, ROTC members, some moderates, ect)
The "mechanic" will never gt his hands on MY car.
He's an accolyte to a jerk whose entire mesage boils down to "Who ya gonna believe- Me or your lying eyes?" Where's the "common sense" in that?
Yes, and was stunned he thought he was a model of moderate thinking.
Did I hear this madman suggesting that the west orchestrated the Bali bombing and the Spain train bombing as well?
I tuned him out so I don't know. He's being talked about in all the WI media and he's loving this attention. I wish that Hanity hadn't given him national air time.
I'm a conspiracy addict, and I like to keep an open mind. But this is complete lunacy.
The only theory I see here that has any plausibility at all is the theory that the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down. I don't think, after having entertained that theory for a while as others did at the time, that it is likely, but it is barely possible. Bush was justified to give the order to shoot it down if necessary to prevent a larger tragedy, and he could be justified for covering it up if it happened, although I would prefer an open admission, in such a case, which would frankly and usefully open up the whole issue of the unpleasant necessities of war.
But I think the chances that it was shot down are slim, and the fact that convincing evidence has still not emerged pretty much eliminates that theory.
The rest of it is sheer, counterfactual nonsense. There is no place for teaching political wish fulfillment in a college course, or teaching fiction as fact.
a Professor of philosophy, a mechanic, a professor of literature....of course they know these kinds of things. Experts in all fields.
(rolling eyes)
"My Mama always said, Stupid is as Stupid does."
google Ayn Rand Objectivism ;o)
No, as I said, the idea has become extremely remote. But there might be one chance in a million, whereas with the other scenarios there's really no chance at all.
I'm familiar with the evidence you mention. It's not impossible that the plane could have been shot down at the last minute without the passengers realizing what had happened. But it's not at all likely.
Nor, if the plane HAD been shot down, would it have diminished their heroism one bit.
You're carrying on an argument with one who does not wish to argue with you.
As my soldier son prepares to deploy to Iraq this coming August, I can't help but think that the tripe posited by people like Kevin Barrett (and Jack Murtha, Nanci Pelosi, John Kerry, et. al.), which only serves to provide aid and comfort to our enemies, might just result in my son being KIA. If this nation had leaders who would forgo their anger and hatred for the man holding the office of President, and present a completely united front in our war against terror, we might already have completed the mission in Iraq and be withdrawing our troops. But alas no, loons like Barrett keep the enemy supplied with recruits (which allow these loons to blame the administration for the increase in recruitment). Shame on them for their part in the deaths of our soldiers.
I sent Mr. Church-Ill an email with an attachment of an article I found which outlines the ties between the Sadaam regime and WWII Germany. His response to me was, and I quote, "You better lay off the draino, Ritchie". Does this comment lend any credence to viewing him as "brilliant"? This is the best reply a tenured college professor can provide?
I wouldn't even dream of disagreeing with this statement.
I would suggest, however, that he knows nothing about the subject matter.
:)
People who refuse to bathe shouldn't teach. :-)
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