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Woman shortage in science blamed on bias
NorthJersey.com ^ | 07.13.06 | LISA LEFF

Posted on 07/15/2006 8:09:25 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Donald Meaker

Don't forget about modeling! Female models make WAY more than men!


41 posted on 07/15/2006 8:50:36 PM PDT by Toby06 (True conservatives vote based on their values, not for parties.)
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To: DBeers

In case you're around, there's so much wrong with this picture that it's hard to know where to start.


42 posted on 07/15/2006 8:55:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: pjd

Yup and most women do not pursue an advanced degree because they have families and are no longer interested in that kind of stress/etc. And I think women just aren't as inclined to "prove themselves" in the working world. Biologically speaking, we aren't meant to be the breadwinners. I say this from my experience as a female in a math/science field dominated by men.


43 posted on 07/15/2006 8:57:09 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: Coleus
...his studies on brain development and regeneration that inspired him to write an article blaming the shortage of female scientists on institutional bias.

Not in my experience. My professors and advisor were pretty miffed that I didn't go on to get my master's degree and that I chose to stay home and have a family instead. They even recommended me to a local employer looking for help; and that was 18 years ago. People will find bias where they want, whether is exists or not. They become overly sensitive to every slight, are way too easily offended, and read too much into things they shouldn't.

Why does this guy think people care about what he has to say?

44 posted on 07/15/2006 9:05:08 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coleus

Publicity seeking remarks to publicize his/her publicity seeking sex change. What a capital-L loser.


45 posted on 07/15/2006 9:08:12 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: rbg81

That's so true. My daughter is majoring in computer science and with her SAT score, that very thing was happening when she was looking at colleges. She applied only to the college where she wanted to attend and not only got in easily but is in their honors program.


46 posted on 07/15/2006 9:08:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mathprof
The professor said a boyfriend must have done the work for her, according to Barres. . . (S)he might have had a biggotted professor.

Or maybe the prof was just trying to be nice. :-)

47 posted on 07/15/2006 9:10:30 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Coleus
The one that rankles him most dates from his undergraduate days at MIT, where as a young woman in a class dominated by men he was the only student to solve a complicated math problem. The professor said a boyfriend must have done the work for her, according to Barres.

Two comments:

1) That's horrendously unprofessional.

2) I've never known (or heard secondhand about) a female physics student who's ever had anything remotely like that happen to her during my career. Undoubtedly things like this used to be more common, but I can't believe it's widespread now.

I'll give a counter-anecdote. There was a female physicist who was being considered for a position at a university where I worked. This researcher was very highly regarded; even as a grad student, I knew who she was by reputation alone. I chanced to overhear a discussion about her hiring; there was general agreement that hiring her would be great for the department, because as a woman and a minority, she would count towards two of the department's affirmative-action targets.

Those words hit me like a punch in the gut. Here was someone whose work I admired, someone I looked forward to having as a mentor. But to the department, that counted for nothing: her value was as a token. Her genitals and her yellow skin color had value while her world-class mind did not. And this value was assigned by the attempt to redress the wrongs of racism and sexism!

Can one eat enough, to vomit enough?

48 posted on 07/15/2006 9:11:53 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Coleus

Who cares if not enough women are in the scientific field?! Maybe they are home having babies...


49 posted on 07/15/2006 9:12:35 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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50 posted on 07/15/2006 9:49:42 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Physicist

That is PRECISELY what is horribly wrong with affirmative action.


51 posted on 07/15/2006 9:51:14 PM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: Martins kid

I'll never forget my advisor advising me against signing up for a course because it had lots of math, and I was already employed by the school as a calculus tutor.

I don't remember what I said but it wasn't polite, and yes, I signed up anyway.


52 posted on 07/15/2006 9:55:56 PM PDT by Seamoth (Kool-aid is the most addictive and destructive drug of them all.)
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To: mathprof

I was at MIT as an undergrad at around the same time that this guy/girl/whatever must have been there. I can attest from personal experience that there were plenty of professors there who would willingly bust your balls (um, guess that may not have been the most appropriate expression to use, huh) no matter what the pretext was. At the same time, there was constant whining about how difficult it was to be a black person at MIT. People tend to look for ways to blame their own personal problems on others. Guess what - it was difficult to be any kind of person at MIT. I came to that realization because I didn't have a convenient scapegoat to blame for my own difficulties...


53 posted on 07/15/2006 10:54:02 PM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: burzum
And men shortage in nursing and education is blamed on what?

Catherine Beecher.

54 posted on 07/16/2006 4:18:32 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Lil'freeper

Oh, and Florence Nightingale.


55 posted on 07/16/2006 4:30:45 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Coleus
Woman shortage in science blamed on bias

Could be that women aren't attracted to science in the same proportion as men. Was anyone aware of the need for male/female balance in science for success? I mean, who figured that balance was an issue?

56 posted on 07/16/2006 7:16:47 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Toby06

I am sorry, I thought that was included in the Porno biz...

Male models: If you ever want to find some, take a few pictures of the security cameras at the mall. The mall rent a cops will send out some lovely male models for you.


57 posted on 07/16/2006 1:09:41 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Boy, that Rondell fellow plays all over the ice, eh?)
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To: Lil'freeper

Nurse Ratchet


58 posted on 07/16/2006 1:11:04 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Boy, that Rondell fellow plays all over the ice, eh?)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Nice graphic. Since it's the folks who score 700 and above in math who have much likelihood of being happy in mathematics and physics, if there's any institutional bias, it's in the K-12 schools and it's taking its toll on girls' mathematical ability before they hit the SAT.


59 posted on 07/16/2006 5:17:32 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Coleus
That makes me sick... reading articles by twisted gender-bending perverts. I just can't stand the sight of them.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em, Down Hezbullies.)

60 posted on 07/23/2006 3:09:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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