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1 posted on 07/17/2006 9:29:40 AM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
Until we can state clearly what we mean by "conservative" or "liberal," I suggest that we bury the terms.

Fine by me. Pro-American and anti-American is much more descriptive of the right and the left nowadays.

2 posted on 07/17/2006 9:32:22 AM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: weegee

I don't have a high opinion of Fox, I consider them to be "news-entertainment", and not particularly conservative.

But this weekend, watching hours of war-coverage, I saw a huge difference. At CNN, it was non-stop apologetics for Hezbollah and Hamas, non-stop demands that Israel pull back. Not from guests, but from the anchors and reporters themselves.

On Fox, the coverage was far more balanced. There was less coverage, actually, but I knew what was happening better by watching Fox than I did watching CNN. So, I still don't like Fox, but it is head and shoulders above CNN unless you like being hectored by some of the dimmest people on the planet. Fox really has no competition at the moment.


3 posted on 07/17/2006 9:35:33 AM PDT by marron
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To: weegee
Neither. Fox merely balances every Liberal with a Conservative rather then stack multiple Liberals against few or none Conservatives.

That is Fox's real sin, It balanced. And since the Leftist know they cannot compete on the Intellectual Battlefield, they hate Fox for giving a concrete demonstration of what a total fraud are the average Leftist's intellectual pretensions.
4 posted on 07/17/2006 9:35:37 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: weegee

Fox isn't even conservative, it just appears that way because all the other "news" channels are rabid Left.


5 posted on 07/17/2006 9:37:03 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: weegee

I find usage of the term "ultra" to be a pejorative. In this instance, describing Fox News as "Ultra-conservative" is a pejorative term for liberals, whereas describing CBS as "Ultra-liberal" is a fact.

Ok, that last line was a cheap shot made for the joke, but using "Ultra-liberal" to describe an MSM outlet such as CBS (SeeBS), NBC, ABC, NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, etc., etc. is as much a pejorative when used by conservatives.


6 posted on 07/17/2006 9:37:09 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: weegee
Certainly, if you were a foreign correspondent trying to contextualize for your readers something Fox did -- say, breaking a story embarrassing to the White House -- you would be OK pointing out that FNC has been generally pro-administration.

As opposed to the rest of the mass media being DECIDEDLY anti-administration? Was the Cheney shooting incident REALLY a big story? Is Bush's expletive said in conversation with Tony Blair REALLY a big thing? What about AP and CBS's reporting of the hoaxed national guard memo's for a FULL WEEK before addressing the controversy of the fraudulent documents? This is BULLC**P if the editors are not going to similarly label CNN, ABC, CBS, etc liberal and anti-administration.

I think that characterization has the advantage of being true and of avoiding the enormous imprecision, as Manning notes, of deciding what's conservative, let alone ultra-convervative (which feels like a pejorative, and to some people could include racial supremacists, tax resisters, etc. etc.)

There are more prominent racial supremacists on the left than on the right. It is a slur on conservatives. A propaganda effort by the left to silence the conservatives; tar them with a false assertion.

Why does the media have orgasms in support of the Million Man March when the Nation of Islam are supremacists who slur "white devils" and Jews?

Fred Phelps, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, David Duke (ran as a Rat before he ran as an independent and a Republican), Hillary Clinton, and Robert Byrd. All prominent racists who get a pass in the mass media.

And "tax resisters" are "ultra-conservative"? I guess if you seek a REPEAL (through the legislature) of the inheritance tax, that does make you resistent of giving the government THEIR money.

7 posted on 07/17/2006 9:37:32 AM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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James, there's a reason I call your rag "The New York Times of The South".

And I read your editorial about Page-1 consideration.

I saw a copy of Saturday's Sunday edition, not one front page story on the middle-east trouble? The Comical ran some dribble on Hillcroft St. diversity.

10 posted on 07/17/2006 9:39:28 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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11 posted on 07/17/2006 9:40:56 AM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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To: weegee
Fox News has a version that is Conservative? That is not the one we get on Comcast Cable.
14 posted on 07/17/2006 9:44:28 AM PDT by msnimje (There is no way we can lose if we stay in Iraq and no way we can win if we cut and run.)
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To: weegee
What say y'all...

I say the omsbuddies should allow the public to view their mailing list. They don't have to let us post messages, but what's wrong with transparency?

16 posted on 07/17/2006 10:24:24 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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To: weegee

Fox is minimally conservative.


22 posted on 07/17/2006 4:31:47 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: weegee
Until we can state clearly what we mean by "conservative" or "liberal," I suggest that we bury the terms.

They know what the terms mean, they just don't like the fact that they lost the war of words so they want to eliminate the words and start over. That's why you now hear "progressive" instead of "liberal." Tossing out Conservative along with Liberal is a liberal idea since I've not heard of Conservatives complaining about what they're called -- they only complain when the labels are one-sided.

-PJ

23 posted on 07/17/2006 4:44:29 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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25 posted on 07/17/2006 8:44:47 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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